The Phoenix fire has been put out!!!!

[The Nutty Professor]

I was on SD-Scooters and noticed they had a banner that stated the Phoenix had been discontinued? For those who have no idea what I'm talking about:

http://www.sdscooters.com/Pocket_Bikes/R2_Racer.html

In the back of my mind I always thought about getting one or at least one with everything but the motor. Then build it up from what I had. I can see a 184cc 4 valve in there or a 184cc V2. As a race bike hell to the no! But as a cool street bike hell to the yes!

[swheels]

I was loooking for one earlier.LOL I would make it into a trackbike.Well atleast try to.thinking_smilie I already new all the stuff a was going to re-place and what i was gonna re-place them with. In my mind it was gonna be a nasty little bike.I believe it had 16in wheels too,not sure though.thinking_smilie

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya and you could just park it in that empty space in your garage...oh wait...nm bluelaugh

[The Nutty Professor]

I know brah. I just didn't want to spend $1200 t0 $1500 on a bike I was going to replace about 50-60% of the working parts. I was hoping to pick up a bike that wasn't running or had a blown motor and the owner was tired of it.

[btroxl]

http://www.extrememotorsales.com/phoenix125ccsportbike.htm

Not sold out here. yet......

[swheels]

http://www.extrememotorsales.com/phoenix125ccsportbike.htm

Not sold out here. yet......I read on PBP that they were.One of the members over there said that they emailed them.Then got response saying that they were out of stock.Then they ask when will they be getting some in.The response was they won't. That thread is what re-sparked my interest in them.

[swheels]

ya and you could just park it in that empty space in your garage...oh wait...nm bluelaughI would have made room for sure.bluelaugh

[The Nutty Professor]

Like I said swing arm and frame and I'd go from there. It might take a year but it would be one hell of a fun time.

[FiveStarSky]

there is a guys personal blog about him fixing up one of these bikes, he did alot of part replacing and upgrading, i'll see if i can hunt it down.

[Unproracer]

Price-e for a 125 4T that tops at 60 and will req. tons of work on its china quality frame, suspension and motor.... i hate to say it, but bang for buck, a 2T jap 125 would go faster, safer, for cheaper in this case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxArVxg0Yec

[swheels]

Price-e for a 125 4T that tops at 60 and will req. tons of work on its china quality frame, suspension and motor.... i hate to say it, but bang for buck, a 2T jap 125 would go faster, safer, for cheaper in this case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxArVxg0YecYeah that's not your normal rs125 though plus you don't find them state side very often.Then when you do $$$$$$$.Yamaha has a yzf125 4 stroke can't even get those here either. Plus there's NOOOooooo way i was gonna pay that price for a new one. When the only thing left from it would have been just the chassis.bluelaugh

[The Nutty Professor]

Unpro that's not the point. The point is the challenge of the build. Taking a Japanese bike and building it with off the shelf parts is done every day. I've done it a half dozen times. I want to do something different.

[Unproracer]

Unpro that's not the point. The point is the challenge of the build. thinking_smilie You realize who your talking to right? Taking a Japanese bike and building it with off the shelf parts is done every day. I've done it a half dozen times. I want to do something different.

Yeah that's not your normal rs125 though plus you don't find them state side very often.Then when you do $$$$$$$.Yamaha has a yzf125 4 stroke can't even get those here either. Plus there's NOOOooooo way i was gonna pay that price for a new one. When the only thing left from it would have been just the chassis.

Idk, theres a bunch of them in the AFM races, seen 'em for sale roller and runners. Our buddy bought an '02 rs125 cheap and put a 2T 85cc dirt bike motor in it. Custom everything. Frames welded/tabs/mounts/bodywork exhaust/ etc. And goes good on the kart track. It always comes down to the "its all the same" argument but youll see pretty much every person the pits walk over, ask, talk, stare at this rs125/85 2T. Funny, bike vets in the biz for so long were so interested in something thats "all the same" rolleye0010

I think ive met more stock or PBU x bike owners then ive met non-modded jap mini bike owners in person/at the races, even if its all bolt on. :dunno:

Plus a lot of 50 owners should have the rights to smack you guys up side the head for the "all the same" arugment. Have you seen there jap 50's? custom frames/builds, motor swaps, major suspension work, fiberglass/carbon f. body panels and acsents, controls, machined adpt. and parts... I hear your point and too many times i've found exceptions which makes me think its BS, too many times. It is what you make it. Before you dissent, go look at the jap bikes brotx, basset, xmr built.. Nutty-Rant Not trying to dismiss or offend xbike builders, just cedit where its due.

[swheels]

Idk, theres a bunch of them in the AFM races, seen 'em for sale roller and runners. Our buddy bought an '02 rs125 cheap and put a 2T 85cc dirt bike motor in it. Custom everything. Frames welded/tabs/mounts/bodywork exhaust/ etc. And goes good on the kart track. It always comes down to the "its all the same" argument but youll see pretty much every person the pits walk over, ask, talk, stare at this rs125/85 2T. Funny, bike vets in the biz for so long were so interested in something thats "all the same" rolleye0010

I think ive met more stock or PBU x bike owners then ive met non-modded jap mini bike owners in person/at the races, even if its all bolt on. :dunno:

Plus a lot of 50 owners should have the rights to smack you guys up side the head for the "all the same" arugment. Have you seen there jap 50's? custom frames/builds, motor swaps, major suspension work, fiberglass/carbon f. body panels and acsents, controls, machined adpt. and parts... I hear your point and too many times i've found exceptions which makes me think its BS, too many times. It is what you make it. Before you dissent, go look at the jap bikes brotx, basset, xmr built.. Nutty-Rant Not trying to dismiss or offend xbike builders, just cedit where its due.Seen all the jap stuff and a big fan of it.Got links pics and all layered through out my computer.Infact i do believe i started a thread on that stuff when i first got here. 1. Not cost effective for me to spend that kind of money on a bike to spend well over 95% of it's time in my .Because NOBODY races them in these parts.Alot of the good jap stuff usually are a special order item and you know what that means in terms of $$$$$$$$$$. On that note i must admit you lost me. Because somehow you've taking offense or a negative approach to what this was about.
For me and my perspective i was looking at it to see what could be done as far as working it to fool around on the track.Just to see if my ideas would have worked.Much like why i got into the xbikes in the first place.If i really wanted a track beast i would have settled on the grc r5.Which in the end i would have been kicking myself for buyin a 5k bike.To just be sitting in my garage collecting dust.Hell we can't even get a heathly showing of ysr's,nsr's or metrakits to show up at the races.So My reality is this, if it can't be used then it's useless. That's even one of the main reasons why i'm deciding to not race the xbikes anymore.Blowing 3 to $400 on a weekend,ok i blew like $300 just for one day of racing saturday. For only 2 xbikes to show up is. The guys that brought along ther ysr's used them like 2x's then put them away for the rest of the day.Then race their pocketbikes for the remainder of the day. I don't know about you but for me to see any type of bike that resembles an full fairing road race bike on a track.I have to travel over 7hrs that's and that's oneway.Plus hope and pray anybody shows up.So i'm just re-inforcing my point that spending a certain amount on a bike is.crazy_smilie for me. Most importantly i really like making and creating my own things.Been doing i all my life loooooooong before the mids.

[The Nutty Professor]

Yes I spent a whole lot less on my Mid than any other bike I've ever built. Ok I don't ride the damn thing either but that's beside the point. I also wasn't looking at the Phoenix for the track but for the street.

[Unproracer]

Sorry swheels, i/we do this about every 2-3 mo lol. No offense taken man, i hear your point. In the beginning it WAS all about modding and making improvements that didn't cost $200+shipping, waiting till Friday night to drive an hour up to Sonoma to race in a parking lot till day break. It was what i lived for, im sure i don't have to tell you...more then i did back then. And since then i've dumped a ridiculous amount of time and a fair amount of money into my bike trying to keep up with jap bikes. I cant even touch the 10yr old kids on jap road bikes, nor could i keep up w/ most motards worth mentioning. I'll still race it, against kids at the track and if my friends wanna go to the parking lot, id take great pride in letting them test it out and getting feedback, but to compete in the local league, to keep up with my friends, and to at least know that if someone else has a kx65 racing me, were probably pretty even bike wise, the rest is rider gives me some peace of mind as a competitor. Its frustrating to know you cant compete because you cant afford to put 300 dollars into something your not sure will make it through the season..... whats even more frustrating is getting to the track, paying 40-60 dolla's + travel time and extras and having your home made exhaust hanger broke or your china quality frame is splitting in half at the shock mount...

sorry man, no offense really. And im not mad to any degree. Its just a different outlook on racing i suppose. Im tired of the frustration, constant working on it, getting passed by everything. I would rather be able to blame myself for not being able to keep up rather then be mad my one off machine has no equal rivals... because parts are falling off at the track after lunch....

Not trying to spread the negativity. The bikes are a blast, i just wish they were more applicable, at least in CA. Keep modding them though, i love the ingenuity

[The Nutty Professor]

Unpro I like to think it's a good time all around. When I see "S" totally smoke all comers I'm a believer. I know he has a different outlook because he wants to race other Mid's not his Mid against the world. But he does and he leaves them scratching their heads.

[SDscooters]

S
Most importantly i really like making and creating my own things.Been doing i all my life loooooooong before the mids.

swheels,

So why dont you jump on the opportunity to convert a 125cc dirt bike into an Xbike. The Phoenix and Avanti are both just dirt bike frames that have been dropped and have a street bike body . . .

Willing to sponsor this build . . .

Hugh
SDscooters

[Unproracer]

swheels,


Willing to sponsor this build . . .

Hugh
SDscooters

That alone is a reason to buy this bike lol.

Nutty - YeA i wanna race other mids too.. fat chance though. Im glad supermoto is bringing back freq. trackdays populatity but damnit its a narrow field competitivly speaking for a xbike on the west coast. I am the only guy on the northern california area on this forum right?

[swheels]

Idk, theres a bunch of them in the AFM races, seen 'em for sale roller and runners. Our buddy bought an '02 rs125 cheap and put a 2T 85cc dirt bike motor in it. Custom everything. Frames welded/tabs/mounts/bodywork exhaust/ etc. And goes good on the kart track. It always comes down to the "its all the same" argument but youll see pretty much every person the pits walk over, ask, talk, stare at this rs125/85 2T. Funny, bike vets in the biz for so long were so interested in something thats "all the same" rolleye0010

I think ive met more stock or PBU x bike owners then ive met non-modded jap mini bike owners in person/at the races, even if its all bolt on. :dunno:

Plus a lot of 50 owners should have the rights to smack you guys up side the head for the "all the same" arugment. Have you seen there jap 50's? custom frames/builds, motor swaps, major suspension work, fiberglass/carbon f. body panels and acsents, controls, machined adpt. and parts... I hear your point and too many times i've found exceptions which makes me think its BS, too many times. It is what you make it. Before you dissent, go look at the jap bikes brotx, basset, xmr built.. Nutty-Rant Not trying to dismiss or offend xbike builders, just cedit where its due.I know bro it's all good...LOL Infact i oh you thee apology.bows_smilie My frustrations sometimes needs to be checked. The whole racing thing out here just sucs period!LOL It's goddam heart breaking LOL.....

[swheels]

swheels,

So why dont you jump on the opportunity to convert a 125cc dirt bike into an Xbike. The Phoenix and Avanti are both just dirt bike frames that have been dropped and have a street bike body . . .

Willing to sponsor this build . . .

Hugh
SDscootersThe avanti i've seen up close it looks nice but weighs a ton.The real bad part is the chassis is very weak. If you have any pics of the phoenix without the fairings that would be great.Also on the phoenix is the chassis steel or cast alu???? But if i was able to see the pics i could judge pretty much what i could do with it.

[The Nutty Professor]

Hugh can you get Phoenix frames or something very close? I mean with the ability to accept 16 inch wheels which the Phoenix is sportin (I think). thinking_smilie

[cutlasskel]

That alone is a reason to buy this bike lol.

I am the only guy on the northern california area on this forum right?

Race in the Polini Cup. They have (3) supermoto classes (10 inch tire, 12 inch tire, and 14 inch tire) and a Metrakit class which also allows YSR and NSR type bikes. Which means you mid should fit in there as well.

If you want the rules I can find them.

[Unproracer]

Race in the Polini Cup. They have (3) supermoto classes (10 inch tire, 12 inch tire, and 14 inch tire) and a Metrakit class which also allows YSR and NSR type bikes. Which means you mid should fit in there as well.

If you want the rules I can find them.

Yea, the guy who runs that also sponsered our pocketbikeGP events untill the turn out ..didnt. But i've never heard mention of any actual races but they sponser a lot. Northern cali? ill have to check it out, always thought polinis were just for pocketbikes and/or polinis..

[cutlasskel]

Yea, the guy who runs that also sponsered our pocketbikeGP events untill the turn out ..didnt. But i've never heard mention of any actual races but they sponser a lot. Northern cali? ill have to check it out, always thought polinis were just for pocketbikes and/or polinis..


Yep, in Atwater California. We went last year to all 5 races. (Roughly 11 hour drive each way).
There was a decent turnout for all classes but gopeds. Hell the moped guys had like 25 machines on the grid!

http://www.spi-parts.com/poliniusacup

Actually it looks like you may have to get permission to run an Xbike in the Metrakit class. Rules say 50cc 2t only.

[X7rocks]

HAHA spi parts rules cant wait to order the new polini Evo clutch bell from em >:D

[The Nutty Professor]

Ah guys :jacked: Just sayin bluelaugh

[Unproracer]

Actually it looks like you may have to get permission to run an Xbike in the Metrakit class. Rules say 50cc 2t only.


atwater is like 4 hours from here lol. Going there on the 27th next mo. for YRR.

Permission huh? The head polini guy was at the pocketbikegp...he didnt look amused by our xbikes lol.

Isnt atwater a rather hi speed track? Wtf are pocketbikes doing there?

[cutlasskel]

Isnt atwater a rather hi speed track? Wtf are pocketbikes doing there?

Yes it is a high speed track. Pocketbikes (the fastest ones) are doing about 40 sec lap times. Randy and Tod both broke into 40 sec range more than once.

My kid was turning 44's consistently on his pb, and turning 45's consistently on both his 10" supermoto, and his 12" supermoto. NSR's were roughly the same times (44's).