My X18 Build

[K-Pac]

After saving money for about 4 months I can finally start my X18 Build. Here is how it goes :

Engine - 140cc GPX Engine from Xmr

Exhaust - Yoshimura Exhaust from Rene

Fairings custom painted by M & R Pocket Bikes - Black w/ Suzuki stickers

Tach - Vapor computer + dashboard

Wheels - Sadly stock. Maybe by August I can get some Maxxis's

Carb - VM 26 Mikuni

Gear Ratio - 16/28

Chain - DID High Quality Golden Motorcycle Chain

Lights - LED lights if you guys can help me out bows_smilie

For now that's all the performance mods I can afford. Im looking to get near 70 mph with all the mods listed. Right now I am trying to get the magnets off of the front wheel and re install the back wheel. For some reason my back wheel is slipping off. I will probably ask a good amount of questions in this thread because Im new to modding a midbike. Pictures and such will all be posted. Videos of the exhaust sounds will also be posted. I am buying my 140cc engine tomorrow and the Vapor.

[GaRsNoW]

Nice parts!! Should be a really fun build. Just dont over look the details... I rebuilt my bike from a bare frame and I am going to be redoing it again soon and just make sure you take the time to do everything right the first like, like buying new bolts, screws, and nuts.

What do you mean your back wheel is slipping off? It sounds like you need to take some extra links out of your chain to shorten it up

[FiveStarSky]

boo stock tires

[K-Pac]

Garsnow - Naa I don't have a chain on it. I think I will figure it out in the morning though.

FiveStar - Wish I had the money man. Im 16 and unemployed. So Im getting $10 to mow my lawn so two Maxxis tires = $80 + Shipping. So 8 weeks or so banghead. Right now my whole build is getting my near to the $700 line...

[FiveStarSky]

Garsnow - Naa I don't have a chain on it. I think I will figure it out in the morning though.

FiveStar - Wish I had the money man. Im 16 and unemployed. So Im getting $10 to mow my lawn so two Maxxis tires = $80 + Shipping. So 8 weeks or so banghead. Right now my whole build is getting my near to the $700 line...

yeah i understand, didnt realise you are that young,

the reason why the wheel is falling off is beacuse it needs teh tension of the chain and the brake cal mount keep it on. The design of it wasnt thought out very far.

[K-Pac]

UPDATE - I can afford the Maxxis tires found $100 under my bed. bluelaugh

Gpx 140cc Engine + Vapor and dashboard will be bought when I come back from church. I have right now a 28 tooth rear sprocket, chain breaker, and supposedly my chain is on its way along with the NGK spark plugs.

[ashar014]

i have a rear LED that will be a tight fit in the rear housing

$7 shipped if your interested

[X7rocks]

sweeet

pics pics pics

[K-Pac]

ashar - Maybe a little later got no more money.

x7 - pics of what? I'll take pics of the engine and all when it comes.

[K-Pac]

28 tooth sprocket on the bike. In the picture is all the other materials. Stuff haven't been ordered yet, been kind of busy with end of the year parties.

[RomanianRacer]

Hey K-Pac, you should try working for like a fast food joint, you'll make money a lot faster that way.

I'm only 15 and I'm submitting my application at McDonald's Tomorrow. I know it sucks working at micky d's, but its all I got. Unless I get hired my dad's best friend at his welding company.

[K-Pac]

Hmm ok Update:

Can not afford Vapor thumb_down Gotta use stock speedo for a little while

Maxxis tires come Tuesday thumbsup2

Engine? Gotta call XMR tomorrow see whats up

Took both tires off my bike, cleaned it, got all the oil off. Now Im breaking my chain with a chain breaker, kinda easy, but the chain smells like the combination of an asian restaurant and sweat bluelaugh. Im going to Texas July 21st so I gotta finish my build before then. Once engine comes, Im going to take the carb and fairings to M & R and have them paint it. Parents got kind of mad of how much money Im spending on this, so I told him " At least Im not doing drugs." Pics of everything coming soon.

[FiveStarSky]

are you moving to texas? or just a visit?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

mids are drugs: midgrade bluelaugh

[K-Pac]

are you moving to texas? or just a visit?


Idk were visiting and if we like it were moving.


Blitz - Lmfao

Tires come tomorrow, and engine has been shipped. Its all good in the hood bluelaugh

[FiveStarSky]

youll like it here, except for the fact that its hotter than hell down here, but could be worse.
What city are you visiting?

[stuntnx7]

youll like it here, except for the fact that its hotter than hell down here, but could be worse.
What city are you visiting?




isnt texas across the street from hell bluelaugh

[FiveStarSky]

isnt texas across the street from hell bluelaugh

yeah, texas is pretty much surrounded by it, to the north is Oklahoma, land of overall's and straw hats
East is Lousisianna, if your close to the border, and sit real quiet, you can almost hear the banjo's playing.
New mexico is nothing more than sand,
and Mexico, well, aside from the drug cartels, kidnappings, illegal mexicans (cheap labor btw), and the mexican thug gangs, they got decent food.

[K-Pac]

New Maxxis Tires just came in. Talked to XMR and told me engine coming today but I called them again and he said he'd ask his partner to see whats up. But the customer service is really good, and they seem very experienced. So Im going to go see if can have a business put the rims on for cheap. Engine should probably be here by Saturday at the latest. Lol Stunt. Its been over 2 months since I've rode my bike lol.

[FiveStarSky]

man, good luck finding a place to mount those for cheap, the bike shop in town wanted $40 a tire, I took it home to do it myself, and i couldnt get the bead set, so one shop tried to charge me $20 just for them to put air in the tire to set the bead, it was rediciouls

but you'll love those tires once you get them on the bike and start putting a knee down.

[K-Pac]

man, good luck finding a place to mount those for cheap, the bike shop in town wanted $40 a tire, I took it home to do it myself, and i couldnt get the bead set, so one shop tried to charge me $20 just for them to put air in the tire to set the bead, it was rediciouls

but you'll love those tires once you get them on the bike and start putting a knee down.

My God, lol Costco it is bluelaugh.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

dude my shop would charge you 4 bux each to mount those and it would take 10min or less
you need to go to a auto shop that has a tire machine like this

[K-Pac]

Blitz I wish your shop was atleast in a 100 mile radius bluelaugh. Engine comes tomorrow btw, Doug showed me a tracking number to prove it. So pics of engine tomorrow, If it comes early enough it will be mounted on my tireless hunk of metal.

[RomanianRacer]

is that hard to get these tires set on the rims?

I've done a bunch of tire and tube changes on my dirt bike and it was a little bit hard and required some patience, but I didn't need a shop/tire store do it for me.

[K-Pac]

is that hard to get these tires set on the rims?

I've done a bunch of tire and tube changes on my dirt bike and it was a little bit hard and required some patience, but I didn't need a shop/tire store do it for me.

I don't really know but I want my tires to be done right. Im not going to take the risk because think of all the things that could go wrong if my rims just fell out of my tire will going 60 mph?

[FiveStarSky]

you can put the tires on yourself with a few flathead screwdrivers, but its a pain in the ass, and you gotta be carefull not to mess up the bead, then the tire wont hold any air unless you get a tube for it.

[JR]

dont use screw drivers, thats just asking for ruining of the tire bead. Go get some tire levers from a dirt bike shop. Then when your prying the lever over the rim, put a rag under the lever so you dont scratch the rim. Also use soapy water, just get the rim and tire bead a little wet. I have always done this with my d-bike tires, lots of patience is needed but well worth the extra money saved.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well the first maxxis i got broke the bead getting it on the wrong way
so you can mess them up
do what i said
drive into town and look at the machines they have
if the tech is good, he can do it
or you can spoon them on, that works, its just real hard and you still need a gangsta air compressor to seat it

[K-Pac]

Got the engine, but I can tell you, It ain't no Gpx 140. It looks to me like the new 155z Pitster Pro engine. The engine did not come with a driving sprocket which Im wondering about. I thought most engines come with a driving sprocket? Im going to try to hook everything up, without my dad, tell you guys how it goes.

[K-Pac]

correction engine is 140cc. Called Xmr they said they'd ship out 2 front sprockets and an air filter which was cool of them. Can't get the engine on need some more strength so I got to wait, and hopefully I can go to M&R Pocket Bikes and have them custom paint and do all their work by this weekend. This is all the things the package came with:

1. 140cc Engine
2. Carb.
3. Throttle Cable
4. Wire that hooks up to spark plug
5. C.D.I? Not really sure what the small box is
6. Shifter
7. Kick Start

Did not come with a clutch cable but I don't need one anyway.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

what size valve head did it come with?

[briansX19haulsass]

dont worry you can do everthing without anyone i built my bike up all on my own NO ONE helped and im 15 lol

[K-Pac]

Yea i did it kinda ghetto, I got a car jack, raised the engine to desired height and installed bluelaugh. Now I need some help on installing the throttle cable on the black handle. I totally forgot how the setup when i took it off, so now Im confused. Pictures tomorrow of what the bike looks like. Hopefully I can install Rene's Yosh Pipe, but Im going to need a lot of help on that.

[K-Pac]

Yea so If anyone can help my installing throttle cable it would be helpful. Here are some pictures.

[BLACKEDOUTX19]

Dude you only charging $10 a lawn. Heck i charge $30. if you want some money fast, raise your price! You'll get a lot more, and can mod your bike faster

[FiveStarSky]

K-Pac, i gotta give you massive props, for a young guy, you are definately going about thigns the right way to get your bike together, knowing what you want, making plans, and following through. Dedicatded little dude!

Is that one of those collapseable shifters?

if so, i had one on my 15, and i was having an issue when trying to shift it would collapse in, and i would have to pull it back out wiht my boot. you may not have that issue, but just a warning. I replaced it with a solid shifter off a china 200cc dirbike.

[K-Pac]

Thanks FiveStar. Yea once I start riding I'll see if the shifter is any good.


BlackedOut - You know man I would love to increase my rates but now I lawn mow these Senior citizens who live near by and If I increased my rates I would feel as if Im cheating them.

Been calling M&R but no one is picking up, and my dad said he may be able to take the hour long ride to New Jersey just for my bike. I got the wiring all mixed up and accidently connected two wires that were never meant to be together and made a very small fire. Lol wires are still good and I realized I can bolt things on but when It comes to wiring count me out! bluelaugh. Need the exhaust nuts to install the exhaust so the build is going to be dormant for a few days.

[stuntnx7]

Thanks FiveStar. Yea once I start riding I'll see if the shifter is any good.


BlackedOut - You know man I would love to increase my rates but now I lawn mow these Senior citizens who live near by and If I increased my rates I would feel as if Im cheating them.

Been calling M&R but no one is picking up, and my dad said he may be able to take the hour long ride to New Jersey just for my bike. I got the wiring all mixed up and accidently connected two wires that were never meant to be together and made a very small fire. Lol wires are still good and I realized I can bolt things on but when It comes to wiring count me out! bluelaugh. Need the exhaust nuts to install the exhaust so the build is going to be dormant for a few days.




red goes to red and blue goes to blue bluelaugh...jk dude it'll come to ya one day but atleast it wasnt tooo costly this time....

[briansX19haulsass]

dude ur build is scarey close to my same engine, age, got all my wires screwed up!! hahah dont worry it will all come through and you will be so happy and proud:clap:

[RomanianRacer]

huh, I though I was the only 15 year old person here?

It sucks for me because I have to work at Jack In The Box all summer to get enough money for my build. Then school gets in the way after that. I should have taken Tech. shop again this year, I could have brought my bike into the school and worked at it there.banghead Plus we have a cnc mill there,a tig welder, mig welder, metal lathe! none of which I have at my house except for a low amperage mig welder.banghead

I plan on saving enough money for my build and then buy everything all at once, so I don't have to wait for other parts. Except for X12 Fairings my first paycheck is going there cause those are almost all gone.

[The Nutty Professor]

You can also use the sprocket from your stock motor. I had too the one that came with the motor was for a 428 chain.

[K-Pac]

You can also use the sprocket from your stock motor. I had too the one that came with the motor was for a 428 chain.

My stock motor was sold with the sprocket and my engine didn't even come with a sprocket, LOL. XMR being really cool and sending me a 16 tooth and a 15 tooth both free of charge.

[JR]

huh, I though I was the only 15 year old person here?

It sucks for me because I have to work at Jack In The Box all summer to get enough money for my build. Then school gets in the way after that. I should have taken Tech. shop again this year, I could have brought my bike into the school and worked at it there.banghead Plus we have a cnc mill there,a tig welder, mig welder, metal lathe! none of which I have at my house except for a low amperage mig welder.banghead

I plan on saving enough money for my build and then buy everything all at once, so I don't have to wait for other parts. Except for X12 Fairings my first paycheck is going there cause those are almost all gone.

im 15 to. lots of 15 and 16 year olds on here

I went to go work at my uncles motorcycle shop shop in mexico for a couple of weeks and i made 200 bucs. Thats how I started making money for my build.

[The Nutty Professor]

You should have scrounged parts bluelaugh A lot of take-offs from full-sized bikes can be used with a little work and people will throw away damn good stuff "Just Because?"

[briansX19haulsass]

ya i no i thought everone on here was older and i thought i was the youngest but guess not wow!

[K-Pac]

Lowest place I could find that could just change the tire not install is $40 for both. My dad's reply - " Hell No".

[K-Pac]

Alright update:

Called M&R and they said they would change the tires, install, paint the fairings, and paint the rims for $100 so Im trying to convince my dad right now. Im confused on what wires I cut? I already cut the main one coming from the engine and am I supposed to cut the one labeled " magnetor" ? And then what do I do with the cut wires? Is there anything else I need to cut? And my clutch cable fits fine, guess I am just lucky.

[X7rocks]

man feeling 17 i feel old now :(

i think i was 15 when i started my 18 build? you guys are ahead like some shit man!

[K-Pac]

M & R said now that it is going to be $140 which is kind of pricey for me... So Im not really sure if my fairings are going to be painted. Still need help on electrical if someone could give a helping hand? :yup:

[FiveStarSky]

Lowest place I could find that could just change the tire not install is $40 for both. My dad's reply - " Hell No".

yeah, bike shops are bastards to deal with. You may try to run it by some car shops, make up a sob story and ask if they will do it for $20 cash.

or you can try yourself (but its a pain in the ass)

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

see post #22

[K-Pac]

Blitz I'll look around for a tire changer similar to that. So far I've called a couple gas stations and most said $20 a piece so I think Im going to go with M&R, I guess It's a wait and see type of thing. Where's Rene? I need help installing my exhaust...

[FiveStarSky]

Where's Rene?

Moving back home to texas so he can run TMGP with me :yup:

[RomanianRacer]

hey blitz what do you mean by a gangsta air compressor?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

a shop size one
one that will flow enough air to seat the bead
yea drive around, it will be worth it
oh, i made a mistake when i told you the prices, its 4 bux a tire, or 8 a wheel, so 16 total
before all this, i went to a motorcycle shop and they did two wheels for me for 25 each

[K-Pac]

Too much traffic today on the main highways because of the holiday. I'll go tomorrow and just skip out on church. Looking around for a job, but so far all the places I've checked don't hire due to 3 things:

1. College kids are back from college and have a summer job
2. Economy
3. Not enough experience

So I might just sell some stock parts I got :

both tires barely used - $45 + shipping ( should be roughly 10 - 15)
Clutch Cable that fits stock 110cc engines - $8 - mailed

[K-Pac]

---- DOUBLE POST speechless33 ---------
Everything is at M&R so not really anything interesting happening. So no real updates until next sunday when my bike comes back. Oh I did buy some stickers but thats about it.

[RomanianRacer]

a shop size one
one that will flow enough air to seat the bead
yea drive around, it will be worth it
oh, i made a mistake when i told you the prices, its 4 bux a tire, or 8 a wheel, so 16 total
before all this, i went to a motorcycle shop and they did two wheels for me for 25 each

I got an air compressor that holds around 250 psi, so I think mines good cause I can pump up car tires and my dirt bike tires fine with it.

[Ghost Rider]

Im still drooling over your exhaustspeechless33

[Unproracer]

Still need help on electrical if someone could give a helping hand? :yup:

from a far the harness and coil look the same. You got the basics like coil, ignitor and grounds figured out or are you trying to figure out how to wiring in all your extra components like lights and stuff?

[K-Pac]

Thanks for the help racer but M & R are fixing it up for me so its all good.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

its not the psi that seats tires, its the cfm? its the flow, at work our compressor is about 150 psi in a 80 gallon tank, it takes a while to run that thing out
i got a 1.5 gallon at home and it runs out in 2.5 seconds, its 135 psi

[K-Pac]

Got some progress photos that Mike at M&R sent over to me. Hope you all like.

[RomanianRacer]

thats some hella tight graffiti in the background of the pictures

[K-Pac]

Got some more pics my midbike brothas bluelaugh. Mike says the plastics aren't done yet but this is the pictures he sent over. Hope you all like.

[FiveStarSky]

is it the pic or are you runnin a little bit bigger tire in the front than the rear?

[K-Pac]

yup the front tires seems to be a higher height from what I can see. I actually have not even seen the bike yet, hopefully tomorrow I mean today I can see it.

[AngelSora421]

It looks like you are using Maxxis tires. The M6114 has a high profile on it so it make it look taller. The bike looks nice so far K-Pac, I can't wait to see what it look likes finished.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

those are the tires i have, your gonna love them
look at how they are the same height, when you lean the bike, it leans equally
the smaller front tire always seemed to lean faster
you will not feel bumps as much either
you will have to raise the fender up a notch and zip tie the top hole to the fork leg but it will fit fine

[K-Pac]

those are the tires i have, your gonna love them
look at how they are the same height, when you lean the bike, it leans equally
the smaller front tire always seemed to lean faster
you will not feel bumps as much either
you will have to raise the fender up a notch and zip tie the top hole to the fork leg but it will fit fine

Hey Blitz do the new tires remove vibration? I really didn't like how my bike used to vibrate a lot especially near the tires.

[GaRsNoW]

Unless your tires were defective and oblong, then no

[FiveStarSky]

i bet the front end vibration is from the crappy tree on the x7/18's but the tires should cut down on that a little bit.

[GaRsNoW]

Id be willing to bet your tree was loose, or your swing arm. I had vibration issues and I checked over every bolt and found that my tree and swing arm were the problems

[K-Pac]

Alright thanks guys, bikes comes Wednesday thumbsup2.

Anyone know a place where i can get a cheap gauge? I really don't like the stock, say im going 40 and im going around 32....

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

the ride was alot smoother with the tires
i always check the motor mounts first for vibration

[K-Pac]

Ok but Blitz I saw you on another thread I think on PBP advise a member to drill out their mounts to 3/8", how do you do that?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

yer right, get a long 3/8ths drill bit and drill both holes in the motor and both holes in the frame
get some grade 8 bolts and nuts from the hardware store and your motor will be solid
vibration is the #1 killer of new bikes

[K-Pac]

yer right, get a long 3/8ths drill bit and drill both holes in the motor and both holes in the frame
get some grade 8 bolts and nuts from the hardware store and your motor will be solid
vibration is the #1 killer of new bikes

Ok Ill try that when I get my bike, Thanks Blitz.

[SoPackedCustoms]

looks great and all but your having someone else build your bike for you

[JR]

looks great and all but your having someone else build your bike for you

well atleast its only the tires which are a pain anyways, but i think you should of painted it yourself IMO

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

guys we all need help sometime, i havent cause im the greatest hahaha
but im not scared to go look for help, tires are a pain by yourself

[SoPackedCustoms]

ya but in the pictures it looks like the whole bike is being assembled at M&R pocket bikes

[K-Pac]

All thats being done there is tires and painting? I also needed some help on wiring so Mike helped me out. Im no pro, this is my first time working on bikes such as this so I try my best to do what I can. And whats so bad about them painting for me? I just want my bike to look like a pro did it not a 15 year old. Im sorry if I can not do all the things that you guys can do and require some help.

[]-[owler]

The more you do it, the easier it will become. If you love it, keep on it.

[K-Pac]

Alrighy a little late on picking the bike (grandfather recently had a stroke), anyways buying some LEDS and the bike look SWEET with the exhaust on. Rene tell me if that looks right?

[rene13]

I had a tab weld on to the frame and just hung it like the picture, THat looks cool.thumbsup2 But the bracket might be in the way.

I also had to notch the tail underneath for the tab nothing major.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

what is the inside diameter of the pipe at the head?
looks really good

[stuntnx7]

i want that pipe rock2

[K-Pac]

what is the inside diameter of the pipe at the head?
looks really good

Thanks man. Im not really sure about the diameter just ask Rene thumbsup2

i want that pipe rock2

Get it from Rene :yup:

I had a tab weld on to the frame and just hung it like the picture, THat looks cool.thumbsup2 But the bracket might be in the way.

I also had to notch the tail underneath for the tab nothing major.

Yea I notice that my bracket is really close to the swingarm. I don't have a welder but If my way doesn't work I can probably use some metal epoxy and just epoxy everything?

[The Nutty Professor]

Yea I notice that my bracket is really close to the swingarm. I don't have a welder but If my way doesn't work I can probably use some metal epoxy and just epoxy everything?

And the epoxy will crack pretty quick. That location vibrates a whole lot. One piece brackets have been known to break.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

on my ghetto upswept pipe, it does touch the swing, i tried to tie it away but it always finds its way back
but its ok, no chatter

[K-Pac]

Finally found a real problem... Ill tell you guys what happened:

Ok so my dad and I took some time to put on the fuel lines and that was cool. So then we put the gas tank on and I kick started it. I can't do a full kick because the kick start hits the pipe. So now I got to change the angle of the pipe and other stuff banghead. I really wanted to ride by Friday because thats when I leave for Texas but now I don't think so.

[Doctor.Dro]

Finally found a real problem... Ill tell you guys what happened:

Ok so my dad and I took some time to put on the fuel lines and that was cool. So then we put the gas tank on and I kick started it. I can't do a full kick because the kick start hits the pipe. So now I got to change the angle of the pipe and other stuff banghead. I really wanted to ride by Friday because thats when I leave for Texas but now I don't think so.

you could always push (bump) start it...

roll it while in neutral and then pop it into gear, the motor should come alive, it the clutch after and rev it up a bit to keep her heart beating.

[K-Pac]

you could always push (bump) start it...

roll it while in neutral and then pop it into gear, the motor should come alive, it the clutch after and rev it up a bit to keep her heart beating.

Will that hurt the motor? Roll it down a hill or like my driveway? Well Im going to see if I can move the pipe to not hit the kick start. Rene did you have a similar problem?

[FiveStarSky]

Will that hurt the motor? Roll it down a hill or like my driveway? Well Im going to see if I can move the pipe to not hit the kick start. Rene did you have a similar problem?

actually, push starting a bike is one of the best way to do so, people often just stomp down on a kickstart lever that they grind the kickstart shaft and gears,

Just put the bike into 2nd, hold in the clutch, and push it along, once around jogging speed, jump on, and let go of the clutch while holding the throttle open.

The bike tire will catch on the road and start to spin the motor, moving the piston into compression untill the motor ignights.

[rene13]

Will that hurt the motor? Roll it down a hill or like my driveway? Well Im going to see if I can move the pipe to not hit the kick start. Rene did you have a similar problem?

I still have the stock kicker on mine so maybe that the problem, use your stock kick starter, hopegully it has the same size shaft.

[K-Pac]

actually, push starting a bike is one of the best way to do so, people often just stomp down on a kickstart lever that they grind the kickstart shaft and gears,

Just put the bike into 2nd, hold in the clutch, and push it along, once around jogging speed, jump on, and let go of the clutch while holding the throttle open.

The bike tire will catch on the road and start to spin the motor, moving the piston into compression untill the motor ignights.

That sounds good but Im going to start to drill holes and try to reposition that exhaust. For the rumble I got from the exhuast when I half kick started it sounds bad ass!! Ok so tomorrow when my dad comes home Im going to try to drill a hole in the frame and make a custom mount (don't know yet). Also can't even do the roll, my sprocket needs a retaining clip. Rene I don't got the stock kicker no more, sold it with my engine so Im out of luck.

[rene13]

That sounds good but Im going to start to drill holes and try to reposition that exhaust. For the rumble I got from the exhuast when I half kick started it sounds bad ass!! Ok so tomorrow when my dad comes home Im going to try to drill a hole in the frame and make a custom mount (don't know yet). Also can't even do the roll, my sprocket needs a retaining clip. Rene I don't got the stock kicker no more, sold it with my engine so Im out of luck.

Instead of drilling a hole in the frame, just make a bracket like the one that goes around exhaust can just only smaller to go around the tube. It could be made out of thin sheet metal.thumbsup2

To fab the part is very easy having the right tools(Drill, drill bits, piece of metal, and two pliers) Get the thin piece of metal and get a good grip with the first set of pliers, next make sure you have enough material cause that will end up being your tab the screw is going through, manually bend the metal as close to the tube as possible (wrap it around the tube), get the second set of pliers and use them to pull it around the tube, if done right it will be a tight fit, squeeze both tab sides together to tighten, now open it up(take it off) drill the hole and congradulations you just fabbed your exhaust hanger. I hope this make s sense. Reinstall and enjoy.

[rene13]

I almost forgot to reduce vibration on the hanger just wrap a small piece of bike inner tube around the tube like the exhuast can, to absorb the vibration.twocents

[The Nutty Professor]

And your pliers should be vise-grips.

[K-Pac]

Rene if you could post a picture of your bike with no fairings on so I can see what your mount looks like that would be great. Would Home Depot have thin sheets of metal?

[GaRsNoW]

Yeah Im sure. I got some plyable steel at ace hardware to mount my exhaust. Already had predrilled holes in it, just cut it to length, and bent it to shape. It worked perfectly

[K-Pac]

I think I may have it all fixed. I made a hole in the bracket and used a c clamp and put it onto the frame. It still kind of hits the pipe but I can kick start. Also I may not go to Texas because family always comes first ( grandfather is very old and had a stroke) so that means more time to build. Im going to check tomorrow if the way works and if it does then I am basically done with the build.

[FiveStarSky]

what? not come to texas? thats blashpahmy!

[K-Pac]

I've tried everything Im done with this exhaust. Anyone have any suggestions for a full exhaust system for $200 or less?

[JR]

dont get frustrated with the exhaust, you have on of the best exhuast systems for your bike and you want a new one?!

so whats the problem besides the kick start hitting it?

[FiveStarSky]

just push start it man, its easy. Problem solved.

[K-Pac]

Well this is the problem:

No matter how I move the pipe the kick start still hits it. I tryed to do the push start but totally forgot that my bike did not have a retaining clip so I almost died. And for some reason the bike won't start ( probably because of the kick start).

[FiveStarSky]

Well this is the problem:

No matter how I move the pipe the kick start still hits it. I tryed to do the push start but totally forgot that my bike did not have a retaining clip so I almost died. And for some reason the bike won't start ( probably because of the kick start).

kickstart or not the bike can still be push started, my ysr has the whole internal kickstart shaft removed, and it push starts.

[K-Pac]

Alright Im going to go get a retaining clip so then I can see if I can push start the bike into action. If I can then thats how Im going to start it from now on.

[Doctor.Dro]

Well this is the problem:

No matter how I move the pipe the kick start still hits it. I tryed to do the push start but totally forgot that my bike did not have a retaining clip so I almost died. And for some reason the bike won't start ( probably because of the kick start).


- More then half the race/track bikes in the world get push/bump started, it is not bad for the engine.
- if you dont have a retaining clip what the F does it matter that the kicker is hitting the pipe. you cant ride it.

This is the solution

- take off the kick starter and go burry it in your backyard and say goodbye
- push start your bike from now on and problem is solved.
- or you can take off the pipe, sell it to me, and buy a new one.

just my .02

[Doctor.Dro]

Alright Im going to go get a retaining clip so then I can see if I can push start the bike into action. If I can then thats how Im going to start it from now on.

now your talking!

[K-Pac]

Alrighty ordering online for a retainer clip which is kind of stupid... can't find a place nearby. All them go wtf is a retainer clip or you mean the master link? Well I am probably not going to Texas so I got lots of time now to use on my bike. Also noob questions coming up : Does the battery and fuse both needed to be charged or have some power for the bike to start? Im thinking you don't need those things but Im not sure.

[Doctor.Dro]

Alrighty ordering online for a retainer clip which is kind of stupid... can't find a place nearby. All them go wtf is a retainer clip or you mean the master link? Well I am probably not going to Texas so I got lots of time now to use on my bike. Also noob questions coming up : Does the battery and fuse both needed to be charged or have some power for the bike to start? Im thinking you don't need those things but Im not sure.

just the battery, the fuse does need to be installed and not blown, the fuse is in place so that the fuse goes bad before any wiring on the bike heats up/ burns/melts or anything

[FiveStarSky]

nope, dont need a battery or anything to push start the bike, it all works off compression, you pushing the bike pumps air/fuel into the cylinder, and is compressed and ignights, then the rotation sends power to the spark plug, continueing the cycle, starting the motor, kinda like a desel motor.

[K-Pac]

All right cool. My battery is dead. I heard you could go to AutoZone/ WalMart and they could replace your battery? The new tires are really stable!

[FiveStarSky]

unless your wanting to run lights, there is no need for a battery

[rene13]

STAINLESS STEEL CUSHION CLAMPS could be used.http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mmsacc-stainless.com/assets/auto_generated_images/hanger.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mmsacc-stainless.com/html/tubing.htm&usg=__6sqHrOVxp1Intn-jqR3YCWsWsUc=&h=162&w=320&sz=9&hl=en&start=38&um=1&tbnid=QbzWpp5jtAm8cM:&tbnh=60&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dexhaust%2Bhangers%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3D en%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1 as a hanger.

[K-Pac]

ordered a retainer clip from x18parts.com. SHIPPING WAS $10, THATS MORE THAN THE CLIP! So I got to wait till I get the clip but I did go out and buy hardware, oil, and brake fluid for the bike. Tomorrow Im going to change the oil, replace some of the hardware, and bleed the brakes. Once I get that retainer clip Im going to try to push start again and hopefully this time is a success.

[JR]

i think these might work for you k-pac

http://tboltusa.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=50_33&products_id=378

http://tboltusa.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=50_33&products_id=379

[K-Pac]

O wow thanks JR!

[FiveStarSky]

or you can get an x19 kickstart of x18parts, same as the first link cept cheaper

[K-Pac]

x19 kickstart out of stock but then when shipping and everything comes in there about the same price. I might get that kick start and just sell this kick start. Anyone want a brand new kick start for $10?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

jrs second link is the one to get, the first sticks out too far

[K-Pac]

Would a D Section Exhaust such as this just bolt on to my bike or would I have to make modifications? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BLACK-MUFFLER-EXHAUST-HONDA-XR50-CRF50-XR-CRF-50-125-D_W0QQitemZ120387397512QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcyc les_Parts_Accessories?hash=item1c07a5e788&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A1|39%3A1|72%3A1171.



Or this http://shop.pitsterpro.com/fmfpowercoreivexhaustsystem.aspx and then just get the CRF 50 version?




Since the pipe is directly under the side fairing mount I think Im going to need to mod the fairings which I don't really want to do so Im just looking at other possibilities..

[JR]

both of those pipes wont fit with out more modding than the pipe you already have. Basically you want to buy a 50 or 170 dollar pipe when you can just buy a 25 dollar kick start.

[K-Pac]

Na I would also have to fix the fairings as those also do not line up.. Thought the exhaust would just be an easy bolt on. I know I sound like a wimp, *******, what ever you want to call me but I really just wanted an easy way... I guess I'll keep trying unless someone has an exhaust in mind..

[JR]

thumbsup2well the only direct direct bolt on pipe would be one from PBU, other than that i dont think their are any ohers that fit with out modding

wanna sell me your pipe?thumbsup2

[SoPackedCustoms]

http://midbikenation.com/showthread.php?t=2375

[K-Pac]

I think I may have to resort to PBU " BUM BUM BUM". Lets see Im not going to give up just yet.

[stuntnx7]

I think I may have to resort to PBU " BUM BUM BUM". Lets see Im not going to give up just yet.



everybody says dont buy from pbu but to me the exhausts arent that over priced if you want a bolt on pipe. Yes they could sell them for 100 bucks but why would they do that when theyre the only ones making them :dunno:...if you buy the ebay muffler then you still have to take it to a welder and after gas, welder fees, and time missed riding then you got 100 or so in it so why not just get one from them and be done with it ..On a sidenote my buddy makes pipes and he's always raggin on me about mine bluelaugh

[K-Pac]

Yea PBU probably is just thinking ahead. But Im going to go with XMR because I like the pipe they put on the Jordan Bike and the J Speed. Im selling this exhaust. PM with an offer, person with highest offer obviously gets it.

[stuntnx7]

Yea PBU probably is just thinking ahead. But Im going to go with XMR because I like the pipe they put on the Jordan Bike and the J Speed. Im selling this exhaust. PM with an offer, person with highest offer obviously gets it.



i forgot about those guys...pretty sure they do them cheaper thumbsup2

[rene13]

K-pac it is easier than you think.

1) bolt the exhaust up.

2) get the fairing and see how much it has to be modded make your mark and measure how much you need bent. Visualize it.

3) fill the header pipe with sand and cap it off Tape the ends or something

4) take it to a muffler shop have them put the bend in the head for you(the sand keeps the pipe from colasping during bending.

[K-Pac]

Ok I have a couple questions :

How much does it usually cost to bend?

Does anyone here bend pipes for cheap?

Rene can you post a picture of your pipe so if I was to go to a bender, I could just show him the pipe?


- Actually if anyone could just bend the pipe for me, that would be awesome.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

that pipe would look great on my 18
lemme know what you do

[K-Pac]

PM sent Blitz.


Yea so If anyone can bend my pipe for cheap please PM me.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

any place with a torch can do it
if it was mine id find the right spot to cut it and reweld it, maybe add a small piece in the middle and hide it with heat wrap
ive done a few like that now

[K-Pac]

Alrighty someone is buying the exhaust from me. So once I get payment then Im going to go call XMR and order one thumbsup2

[SoPackedCustoms]

Ill take a best offer on the pipe i made i just heat wrapped it too

[K-Pac]

This a real mikuni? : http://www.fasttrails.com/Item252/Mikuni_28mm_Race_Carb.aspx

[FiveStarSky]

This a real mikuni? : http://www.fasttrails.com/Item252/Mikuni_28mm_Race_Carb.aspx

would hope so for that price, there are lots of different mikuni carbs, they make simple cheapo ones, but they also make some really high end ones. Shells are the same, but the internal stuff can differ greatly.

[K-Pac]

I don't know makes me wonder because $100 for a real 28mm mikuni is pretty cheap I mean the 26mm retail for $110 at tbparts. Dro get back to me about the exhaust man, If you don't want it it's cool just Pm back.. -

[JR]

doubt it, for that price its probably not, also it should say mikuni but it dosent

i thought you had a vm26 already? if you want a china carb get this one:
http://www.ahpminis.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=26_61&products_id=773&osCsid=75116c73a6dedf6b0a8f86af9b540f4d

[K-Pac]

I thought my engine came with a vm26 but I became logical. Why would a seller take out the china carb and give me a japanese good quality carb. Right now I got a MOLKT 26mm.

[FiveStarSky]

since we are on the topic, does anyone know if anyone has put a flat slide on an x?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

of course, xmr has, 125ccCrazy has one, who knows wtf S has ran
i was plannin on the tm28flat for my turbo, if thats not enough gas then there is a 32mm

[X7rocks]

keihin pe28

..why is it a issue with makeing things fit? the turnout always comes out better

[JR]

hell yeah a keihin pe or pw28 would be the way the to go. yeah mikunis are good but in my opinion keihin makes better carbs

[The Nutty Professor]

pwk28. once a keihin is tuned it stays that way.

[X7rocks]

watch out for clone PWK there idleing isnt really the best...

[K-Pac]

Hey I need some help from you guys now. The exhaust is ok just need to get the differnt kick start. But I have this 26mm chinese carb and I want to know what I should do to it to make it start easiest? I don't want to buy a jet kit yet, I just want it to start easier. IM A COMPLETE NOOB TO CARBURETORS. So if any of Original Gangstas can help me, I would be grateful.

[briansX19haulsass]

well if the carb ur rinning is a molkt i dont know if i would bother, but starting fluid will alwas make things easer. also make sure ur chocking it and giving it some throttle ever kick or so. And if that dont work you might want to re-jet or just get an oko or vm 26mmthumbsup2

[K-Pac]

Na thats not what I mean. I mean like the idle screw/c clip/ stuff in that nature...

[JR]

idle is the only thing that will let it start easier, c-clip is for 1/4 throttle control, sometimes using a bigger pilot jet will allow easier starts

[K-Pac]

Something about the needle also.. lowering it down a notch or something?

[K-Pac]

anyone know any way I can adjust my carb?

[Doctor.Dro]

anyone know any way I can adjust my carb?


-the c-clip in the barrel slide can be set to about 4 to 5 different positions, this controls 1/4 throttle
-aswell as the air/fuel mixture screw.
-idle screw can also be tuned

-then there's always changing jet sizes

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

Your carb meters the fuel to your engine. The carb has three different sub systems:




Pilot Jetting - for up to 1/4 throttle position
Needle Jetting - 1/4 > 3/4 throttle position
Main Jetting - 3/4 > full throttle

These jets allow a fixed amount of fuel, the needle allowing an "operating band" of fuel metering.

To alter the amount of fuel, you can either increase or decrease the orifice (the hole in the jet). This applies to your pilot and main jet.

The needle jet is actually a needle. The fuel first passes through the main jet, then the needle limits the fuel flow (kinda like putting your pinky finger into a garden hose. Water still comes out, just not as much).

The reason your bike won't idle:

Fuel Screw
It is labeled as an "Air Screw". This is 100% backwards. Air screws are on two stroke carbs. The last I checked, this carb has been on this 4 stroke engine.
The fuel screw allows more fuel through the pilot circuit. This very definitely affects low speed operation. To allow more fuel flow or richen up the bottom end, the fuel screw is turned counter-clockwise (or turned OUT). This IS richening up the bottom end.
To lean it out, the fuel screw must be turned clockwise (or turned in). The problem with this low speed/idle jetting is it is too lean. The only time I think you would turn it in is if you decide to ride your TTR into the Rockie Mountains, where bikes are starving for air, which ain't there!

Pilot Jet
First, your pilot jet is absolutely too small. You need to go up in size to a 17.5. The fuel screw on your carb allows a VARIABLE amount of fuel to pass through the pilot jet. This fuel screw WILL ABSOLUTELY affect your idle. The fuel screw has a spring behind it that allows you to turn it without it falling out of your carb. Turning it in REDUCES the amount of fuel (leaning the fuel/air mixture) and conversely turning it out INCREASES the amount of fuel (richening the fuel/air mixture). The bike IS starving for fuel at idle because the pilot jet is too small. Regardless of the fuel screw position, your bike NEEDS MORE FUEL. If you end up turning your fuel screw out 3 turns or more, your pilot jet IS TOO SMALL.

Needle Jet
The needle jet can be changed as well, or raised or lowered. So far, I have not seen any recommendations to swap out needles. Needles vary in diameter, AND taper in size, i.e. the tip of the needle is skinnier than the diameter half way up the needle. So as the needle is being pulled up, the needle gets skinnier. This allows MORE fuel as the needle is raised up via the throttle cable.

There is a clip on the needle that allows you to raise or lower the needle, effectively changing the amount of fuel flowing in this 1/4 > 3/4 throttle position. So, if you move the clip down, this effectively raises the needle. Since the needle is now higher in the carb, and we know the needle is skinnier at the bottom, MORE fuel will pass through in the midrange than before you moved the clip.
As for swapping out the needle, the skinnier the needle, the more fuel allowed into your engine.

Main Jet
At 3/4 throttle and higher, the ONLY thing metering fuel is the main jet. If your bike has problems at wide open throttle, the main jet is your culprit (unless it's your ignition...???). A larger main allows more fuel.

When you modify your bike, i.e. cut your airbox lid, install a high air flow airfilter, you are changing the amount of air into the engine.
When you install an aftermarket exhaust pipe, more air (exhaust) is coming out of your engine.
In BOTH of these conditions, you MUST increase the fuel going to your engine to offset the air going into (or out of) your engine.

Moving more air means you have to move more fuel.

Elevation & Weather Changes
When there is a change in the weather or riding elevation, the amount of Oxygen or moisture will be the culprit. At higher elevations, there is less O2 available. You will need to jet lean to decrease the amount of fuel to compensate for the lower O2.
If it is humid, there is MORE water in the air, you MAY have to jet lean.
In the winter, bikes run lean. Because of the lower temps and humidity, there is more O2 due to density changes. Your bike will run lean, and you will benefit w/ RICHER jetting.

[K-Pac]

Thanks Blitz that taught me a lot.


Retainer clip comes tomorrow! That means the very first start of my bike. I think I might tear a little. They grow up so fast bluelaugh.

[FiveStarSky]

also note, the Pilot jet controlls the starting of the motor, if its clogged, it wont start.

[Doctor.Dro]

carb tuning can be a pain.... but so much power can be hidden in a non tuned engine

[K-Pac]

Retainer clip came but left. Ups guy came when I was at Buffalo Wild Wings with my friends and it was raining outside so he didn't want the package to get wet. Ohh yea I've been to a few hardware stores and most of them don't have many metric sizes and the x18 is all metric... I was going to replace the hardware on the fairings but I don't know where to look.

VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION - My fuel line does a couple turns as it reaches the carb, is that a problem? Ill see if I can get a picture


My fairings are on my bike just because I wanted to put my crappy chinese fake suzuki stickers on. I got em for $4 so I don't see how it can kill anyone?


Dad is kinda angry at me so I am trying to lay low and not ask for a vapor and kickstart.


Im sorry my build is very basic and doesn't have all these cool custom fabbed parts with top notch suspension and long hours of math put into it. I do try to make my bike perform well and be fast. I want to buy kenny's rear shock but I am super money tight right now..


Exhaust drama is over. Im keeping this exhaust and lower fairings can be managed. Swheels told me his bike isn't connected at the bottom fairings and his bike looks amazing so I don't think its going to be a huge problem if they are not connected.


This build is way overdated thought I could finish by the end of June and WOW.

Sorry for the long post, haven't had a real update in awhile.

[K-Pac]

Bike won't start any suggestions?

[FiveStarSky]

try to start with some starting fluid.You dont have a kickstart right?

check for spark, attempt to push start and eiher place the plug where you can see it, or just hold on to the boot and if it gives you a little zap to check to see if electricity is getting to the plug.

check make sure the carb has gas in teh float bowl.

You only need 3 things to start a motor. Compression, gas, and spark.

You may have a clogged pilot jet. (the smaller jet)

uh.. possible air leak on the carb.

Or take the pipe off, put teh kicker back on, and see if you can get it to start. that way you dont have to do trial and error while pushing the thing down the street.

[K-Pac]

the bike gets spark, I already had tried the removing the exhaust thing and it sounds like some kind of water? Well the carb is off so Im going to just clean it and also check to see what color the sparkplug is.

[FiveStarSky]

yeah, do a thurough carb clean, and if you have the kickstart on it, pump it a few times with the plug out to clear and excess gas out.

[K-Pac]

Uhh I think I may have found the problem on why my bike is not idling or even starting. I have no idle jet! Look at pic please.

[FiveStarSky]

what kind of carb is that?

[K-Pac]

Stock MOLKT carb that comes with the 140cc engines.

[JR]

its right their, pilot jets dont stick out of the carb like the main jet, take a small flat head and and then it will unscrew

[K-Pac]

Na Jr this is how it's supposed to look man ( see picture that I got from MMP).

[JR]

it depends on the carb, here i took a picture of mine and the jet is inside of that litle tube, in the second pic that is what your pilot jet will look like

[K-Pac]

Ok I was wrong then, but I don't think I have a flat head small enough to get it. I see it now, I thought all idle jets were the same way, I was wrong.

[K-Pac]

Took the spark plug out and this is what I found. The spark plug is silver , so what could that mean? Silver is in between Black and White so Im guessing Im running slightly lean?

[GaRsNoW]

was the plug wet when you took it out? Was it getting gas? Silver,white is a bad color, it means your not getting any or enough gas. The darker the color, the more fuel thats being added to the mix. You want your plug a light tint of brown.

[GaRsNoW]

Sorry I dont feel like reading through this thread..

Are you for sure your getting spark? If not, take the plug out with the plug wire attatched and ground the plug, and have someone kick the bike and look to see if your getting spark

[K-Pac]

Im getting spark fine, Its a carb issue. Ok what do you guys think I should do.

Try to tune my existing chinese carb


Buy this : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MIKUNI-26MM-CARBURETOR-Honda-XR-CRF-50-CRF50-GO-KART_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQh ashZitem33544f1599QQitemZ220457801113QQptZMotorcyc lesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_7900wt_1114

[JR]

thats a chinese carb as well, and its a taper bore carb meaning its 22mmm at the slide but 26 at the opening

your best option would be to save up for a vm26 or get that keihin from x7rocks

[K-Pac]

Pmed Kenny not sure if he already sold it...


I know Trail bikes won't lie to me so there real. $110 though. Anyone know where I can get a full 28mm Mikuni Carb set or Keihin 28mm?

[The Nutty Professor]

That carb totally blows! Shot it with a 12 gauge shotgun and move on to a Keihin.

[X7rocks]

That carb totally blows! Shot it with a 12 gauge shotgun and move on to a Keihin.

kpac if you want ill make you a deal on that carb and intake setup,from one rider to another helping eachother out,

[The Nutty Professor]

Whoa! I hope it came across right? The Molkt carb blows not the carb Kenny has for sale.

[K-Pac]

Nutty if you lent me a 12 gauge I would gladly shoot the carb.


Working a deal with Kenny on the carb right now, I know that he won't scam me because he's cool. Going to beg my dad for a new carb but my dad's old fashioned and the mentality is " If it isn't broken, no need for a new one" So Im thinking put a small C4 in my molkt and blow it up!~ LMFAO.

[K-Pac]

Would I have to buy the complete mikuni set or could I just buy the carb and use the molkt intake? Heres the carb http://www.hondatrailbikes.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=993

[briansX19haulsass]

why not knnys carb dude its a great match up for the kinda engine u got

[K-Pac]

why not knnys carb dude its a great match up for the kinda engine u got

Just looking at my options...

[JR]

Would I have to buy the complete mikuni set or could I just buy the carb and use the molkt intake? Heres the carb http://www.hondatrailbikes.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=993


well you would have to buy this to fit it to your molkt intake
http://tboltusa.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=51_38&products_id=599

not sure if the air filter fits

[K-Pac]

Alright thanks Jr. Noob question : I can't seem to find a spot where the carb connects to the engine to transport gas. What Im asking is for the 140cc engine s how does gas get into it, because I don't see a hole in the engine for a fuel line..

[Doctor.Dro]

Alright thanks Jr. Noob question : I can't seem to find a spot where the carb connects to the engine to transport gas. What Im asking is for the 140cc engine s how does gas get into it, because I don't see a hole in the engine for a fuel line..

LMFAO

[Doctor.Dro]

Alright thanks Jr. Noob question : I can't seem to find a spot where the carb connects to the engine to transport gas. What Im asking is for the 140cc engine s how does gas get into it, because I don't see a hole in the engine for a fuel line..

-The carb mixes air/fuel
-It connects through the intake manifold
-Gas gets into engine through a fuel line in the carb.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

k-pac, the link on post 178 is fine, that was my first upgrade and it worked good on my 110cc to my 125cc motors
the gas air mix goes in through the intake manifold to the engine
http://www.animatedengines.com/otto.shtml

[K-Pac]

So gas goes through the manifold to the engine.. Ok but thats weird my 110cc engine had 2 fuel lines. 1 from the gas tank and one to the engine. And Blitz is the link on #178 a real mikuni? Doesn't seem like it because of it's low price..

[X7rocks]

LMFAO

bluelaugh

[K-Pac]

Just need a picture of the fuel line from the carb to the engine... Can someone help me?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

there is no line from the carb to the motor, gas goes into the carb from the tank by a line, thats it

[Doctor.Dro]

Just need a picture of the fuel line from the carb to the engine... Can someone help me?

im shocked at how did you managed to get this far in the build.....

[JR]

Alright thanks Jr. Noob question : I can't seem to find a spot where the carb connects to the engine to transport gas. What Im asking is for the 140cc engine s how does gas get into it, because I don't see a hole in the engine for a fuel line..

are you talking about the the hose at the back of the crank case?

[K-Pac]

You know what never mind... I'll figure it out...

[The Nutty Professor]

Nutty if you lent me a 12 gauge I would gladly shoot the carb.


Working a deal with Kenny on the carb right now, I know that he won't scam me because he's cool. Going to beg my dad for a new carb but my dad's old fashioned and the mentality is " If it isn't broken, no need for a new one" So Im thinking put a small C4 in my molkt and blow it up!~ LMFAO.

Dude it is broke deadhorse Tell dear old dad just because it's new doesn't mean it was built right because it wasn't.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

k-pac, there are a few hoses from the carb that dont go anywhere, they are just vents or drains

[K-Pac]

THere you go thats the answer I was looking for. Thanks Blitz for not just laughing at me...

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

np, i been there
if nobody tells you, you wont know
i guess we all just thought you knew it all

[K-Pac]

np, i been there
if nobody tells you, you wont know
i guess we all just thought you knew it all

Naa Im a genuine noob at heart bluelaugh. I know more about quads, but my quad never needed carb tuning... Kenny slowly convincing my dad that your carb is the right choice. Told him the carb that Im buying from you is worth $400 so that should make him want to buy it thumbsup2. Heres a picture of my quad.

[Monster_Bike1780]

nice but u also gotta love dirt bikes

http://i29.tinypic.com/a266gk.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/voy05i.jpg


its my old yz85 that has been decked out with all racing parts, and took a 450 at wide open throttle =)

[The Nutty Professor]

Body langauge is different but sliding quads should have you damn near ready for road racing Mid's.

[K-Pac]

Body langauge is different but sliding quads should have you damn near ready for road racing Mid's.

I actually want to race with you guys at VIR and Sandy Hook. I've never raced on anything with 2 wheels so I would need to learn how to " drop a knee" and shifting body weight. Throttle control and braking is another thing I need to learn to race.

After reading Nutty's, Swheels, and Blitz dual brakes, It looks like something that I think I may be able to do. From what I can see I would need these thing:

Banjo Bolts
2 Brake Lines
Brake Disk
Right Side Caliper http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Footbrake-Brake-Cylinder-Caliper-Pads-Pit-Dirt-Bike_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQh ashZitem5633d8d4d9QQitemZ370237035737QQptZMotorcyc lesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_1927wt_754
Left Side Caliper??
Bracket for the left side caliper
Master Cylinder <-- Anyone have these for cheap?

Now Im wondering if dual brakes are worth it? If I wanted to street ride for some time and then race, would it be a good idea? It actually looks not too difficult to do (looks can be deceiving) but Im not sure if It worth it.

[rene13]

I actually want to race with you guys at VIR and Sandy Hook. I've never raced on anything with 2 wheels so I would need to learn how to " drop a knee" and shifting body weight. Throttle control and braking is another thing I need to learn to race.

After reading Nutty's, Swheels, and Blitz dual brakes, It looks like something that I think I may be able to do. From what I can see I would need these thing:

Banjo Bolts
2 Brake Lines
Brake Disk
Right Side Caliper http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Footbrake-Brake-Cylinder-Caliper-Pads-Pit-Dirt-Bike_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQh ashZitem5633d8d4d9QQitemZ370237035737QQptZMotorcyc lesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_1927wt_754
Left Side Caliper??
Bracket for the left side caliper
Master Cylinder <-- Anyone have these for cheap?

Now Im wondering if dual brakes are worth it? If I wanted to street ride for some time and then race, would it be a good idea? It actually looks not too difficult to do (looks can be deceiving) but Im not sure if It worth it.

For the left side caliper use the pit bike front caliper which is the opposite of that one, and it comes with a bigger master, which could be used without modding lines.
If you want some blingy ones, you know I got those and they are OEM Honda parts.

[K-Pac]

For the left side caliper use the pit bike front caliper which is the opposite of that one, and it comes with a bigger master, which could be used without modding lines.
If you want some blingy ones, you know I got those and they are OEM Honda parts.

Bling is always nice :yup:. Rene you think you can cut me a deal on 2 front brembo's, 2 brakelines, a master cylinder, and another disk rotor?

[K-Pac]

Ok I decided since Im so money tight right now I gotta lay off new things like dual brakes.. I may be able to afford a vapor after all. I know that the TTR 125 is what everyone uses but I was wondering if any of the other ones would work. The reason why is because I found an ebay site that sells vapors for cheap : http://stores.shop.ebay.com/caraccessories123__W0QQ_nkwZvaporQQ_armrsZ1QQ_dmdZ 2QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZQQ_sasiZ1QQ_sopZ1

[The Nutty Professor]

Not to be a buzz-kill but that ain't cheap that's the going rate with shipping. If that's what you're willing to pay go for it because I doubt you will find it cheaper. What I mean is everyone who a decent dealer sells them at that price. The POS's sell them for a lot more and people are to lazy to search so they pay it.

[Doctor.Dro]

Ok I decided since Im so money tight right now I gotta lay off new things like dual brakes.. I may be able to afford a vapor after all. I know that the TTR 125 is what everyone uses but I was wondering if any of the other ones would work. The reason why is because I found an ebay site that sells vapors for cheap : http://stores.shop.ebay.com/caraccessories123__W0QQ_nkwZvaporQQ_armrsZ1QQ_dmdZ 2QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZQQ_sasiZ1QQ_sopZ1

Go for it, im gunna pick one of these up eventually

[The Nutty Professor]

Yeah Doc I need one too but I want to get a few other things worked out before I dump the money.

[K-Pac]

Naa this site is better guys, it sells the model that our bikes use and is pretty cheap : http://www.oemcycle.com/Item/product/6302/

* Free Shipping


The ebay one did not sell the type that we need so I wasn't sure...

[K-Pac]

Got bored so I wondered what the bike would look like...





What do you think?

[BLACKEDOUTX19]

stickers are well.... pretty cheesy, (sorry) other then that bike looks sweet, nice work

[K-Pac]

stickers are well.... pretty cheesy, (sorry) other then that bike looks sweet, nice work

Lol yea I know, the real suzuki stickers cost like $50 so I was like lets get the ones from china for $2 ! Should I remove the stickers or keep em?

[BLACKEDOUTX19]

yea remove them, but if you really wanted them on there, move them all into one spot not scattered around imo.

on the pic below where you see all the sticks on the bottom blue fairing, maybe put them all down there???

[K-Pac]

yea remove them, but if you really wanted them on there, move them all into one spot not scattered around imo.

on the pic below where you see all the sticks on the bottom blue fairing, maybe put them all down there???

Hmm Ill just get this : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Suzuki-GSXR-Yoshimura-Sticker-Decal-Sheet-SRAD_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQh ashZitem53dbbe711eQQitemZ360168976670QQptZMotorcyc lesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ebayphotohosting

[BLACKEDOUTX19]

yea get that, its sweet

but look at a real gsxr and see where they place them, and do the same to your bike

[JR]

bike looks good man

that sticker sheet from ebay looks like a good deal to

[K-Pac]

What would you say to do first on the x bike?

Upgrade the brakes or upgrade the suspension?

[JR]

suspension i guess, to me the stock brakes were alright, but the shocks really sucked

and the shocks you can just fill them up with heavier shock oil and that will make a difference, brakes get a little bit more complicated and expensive

[K-Pac]

suspension i guess, to me the stock brakes were alright, but the shocks really sucked

and the shocks you can just fill them up with heavier shock oil and that will make a difference, brakes get a little bit more complicated and expensive

Hmm Im not really sure which way to lean right now... The stock brakes kinda stink and so does the shock. Any OG's have an opinion??

[briansX19haulsass]

ya def shocks brakes k for now but in time mayb u want ot do a dual brake saga

[K-Pac]

ya def shocks brakes k for now but in time mayb u want ot do a dual brake saga

Yea but this is just an idea for something for Christmas thinking_smilie. Right now all Im getting is Kenny's carb and a new kick start.

[briansX19haulsass]

well ride around till X-Mas and see which one you would like to upgrade the most and all the guys here will help you out if you want to do a dual brake saga but i think you will choose suspion:yup:

[K-Pac]

Alright bro's this is all I've just ordered.


Brand New Keihein PE 28 Carb - fasterminis.com
Vapor Trail Tech - oemcycle.com
Vapor Dashboard - oemcycle.com
Mugen throttle and cable - akunar.com
Angle Kickstart - tboltusa.com
gasket set - tbparts.com


Good Parts?

PS : Going to Texas today so no real updates for maybe 2 weeks. Peace

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

what is that carb going on? (motor size, head)

[K-Pac]

Ok I am back from vacation but going again! bluelaugh

I got my kick start from TBolt <-- Good service


And GUESS WHAT! The kick start clears the exhaust and brake! I would start it but my Keihien is here yet.


Uhh build going to go dormant again, I hear Miami babes calling my name!

[Doctor.Dro]

Ok I am back from vacation but going again! bluelaugh

I got my kick start from TBolt <-- Good service


And GUESS WHAT! The kick start clears the exhaust and brake! I would start it but my Keihien is here yet.


Uhh build going to go dormant again, I hear Miami babes calling my name!

dont you have the other OKO carb to atleast give it a spin?

Miami babes are scorchin!

[K-Pac]

dont you have the other OKO carb to atleast give it a spin?

Miami babes are scorchin!

I got the MOLKT but theres no point in even putting it on, raining outside and my engine got a huge problem here it is:

Alright so just removing my speedo so when my vapor comes I can put it on. While doing this I smell a burning smell. Then I feel it on my knee and Im like WTF! The bottom of my oil coolers lines were SPARKING, IT WAS RED!!! So I removed the full oil cooler and Im still scared that when I come back from Miami the house is going to be on fire. So my question is, how could this have happened? Friction? Internal fire in my engine? Should I just call XMR and get a different engine?

[The Nutty Professor]

Disconnect the battery NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[K-Pac]

Disconnect the battery NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

DONE!!!!! But how would the battery affect my oil cooler lines?

[Doctor.Dro]

I got the MOLKT but theres no point in even putting it on, raining outside and my engine got a huge problem here it is:

Alright so just removing my speedo so when my vapor comes I can put it on. While doing this I smell a burning smell. Then I feel it on my knee and Im like WTF! The bottom of my oil coolers lines were SPARKING, IT WAS RED!!! So I removed the full oil cooler and Im still scared that when I come back from Miami the house is going to be on fire. So my question is, how could this have happened? Friction? Internal fire in my engine? Should I just call XMR and get a different engine?

when you removed the oil cooler you didnt get burned? i dont understand how they could have heated up without the engine even being on. possibly could have been an electrical fire, something misconnected?

[K-Pac]

Still have the oil cooler lines problems but looked what the cat dragged in!

[K-Pac]

when you removed the oil cooler you didnt get burned? i dont understand how they could have heated up without the engine even being on. possibly could have been an electrical fire, something misconnected?

But how could an electrical fire affect the oil coolers. This is my guess as to what had happened. Since my knee kept pushing on the oil cooler lines, friction was caused with the head and metallic springs of the line. This caused a small spark, but since there is oil in the lines the spark became a small flame.


OR

Something internal on the engine, near the cooling lines, caught on fire causing the heat to release through the cooling lines. But that would be highly coincidental as I was just magically there when the small fire aroused?

[Doctor.Dro]

if oil inside your engine were to have literally caught flame/fire.... i dont know if you would have been able to put it out. burning oil is serious.

[rene13]

something ain't wired right.

[Doctor.Dro]

something ain't wired right.

has to be the case, meaning the wires probably fused together and flamed up

[ActBAD ok]

Still have the oil cooler lines problems but looked what the cat dragged in!

you got your priorities backwars brah, anybody can tell you how fast your non-running bike is going.:dunno:

[K-Pac]

you got your priorities backwars brah, anybody can tell you how fast your non-running bike is going.:dunno:

lol yea I should probably fix the lines before I do anything. Im going to tape the lines with some kind of heat resistant tape and see if the problem is still there. Checked all the wiring and everything seems to be alright..

[swheels]

I got the MOLKT but theres no point in even putting it on, raining outside and my engine got a huge problem here it is:

Alright so just removing my speedo so when my vapor comes I can put it on. While doing this I smell a burning smell. Then I feel it on my knee and Im like WTF! The bottom of my oil coolers lines were SPARKING, IT WAS RED!!! So I removed the full oil cooler and Im still scared that when I come back from Miami the house is going to be on fire. So my question is, how could this have happened? Friction? Internal fire in my engine? Should I just call XMR and get a different engine?When you dissconnected certain wires.You must have had a hot wire touching on the chassis.The chassis is pretty much like a negative ground itself when you run a ground wire to the motor.So since your oil cooler lines are connected to the motor and you have that spiral or spring to wire covering the oil cooler lines.So if a hot wire is touching the chassis or the motor it started to ground itself out.Transferring the current throught all metal in contact.The thinner the metal the hotter it will get.Or the electrical short could have travelled from the oil cool also since it is bolted to the chassis. So either way there's a hot wire just resting on the chassis or motor somewhere causing your problem. OH and usually when theres a fire going on in your motor.That means it's running and sometimes produces smoke out of the exhaust.bluelaugh

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i agree with S
there is a wire shorted and it got the cooler lines hot somehow
or the cooler was pushed up against some hot connects
either way, i would install a separate cutoff to the battery

[K-Pac]

So there is some kind of wrongly connected cables in my bike and that the whole bike was a big match box and in this case the oil cooler lines was the match? Hmm Ill thoroughly check the wiring again. I HATE WIRING!!! lol

[rene13]

So there is some kind of wrongly connected cables in my bike and that the whole bike was a big match box and in this case the oil cooler lines was the match? Hmm Ill thoroughly check the wiring again. I HATE WIRING!!! lol

Or it could be even simpler than that, it could of been a wire the barely made contact and fried it. I fried a stator that way when I first got my mid.

[K-Pac]

Uhh If anyone is wondering why there's no updates its because of football conditioning banghead, fricken fainted on the 4th gasser.... I also got some summer hw to do so when my body is soar after football I have to make essays. I got all the parts except the grips from Thailand...

[FiveStarSky]

Uhh If anyone is wondering why there's no updates its because of football conditioning banghead, fricken fainted on the 4th gasser.... I also got some summer hw to do so when my body is soar after football I have to make essays. I got all the parts except the grips from Thailand...

i hear ya, i just started back up, i have 22hrs of school a week, and 20hrs of work a week, and it all has to fit in between 8am-5pm not fun.

[K-Pac]

Alright finally got some down time... I did quit the football team but AP homework is insane! Ok so onto the bike.

Things I have done:

1. Drilled out oil cooler mounting hole and fit it on the middle bolt of the triple tree. Tested it and steering is still good

2. Mounted Keihein Carb but still need air filter...

3. Vapor + Dashboard are mounted. Stock magnets taken off and vapor magnet jb welded on.

4. Replaced all fairing screws (not shown in pictures)

5. Put on springs for the exhaust <-- Pain in the a**

6. Mounted exhaust nicely

7. Completely Re Wired whole thing... <-- took 2 days for me..

8. Angle kick start was installed and clears exhaust

[K-Pac]

More pictures....