"Draggin' it out" The Raptor Cat

[TeRRoR]

Hi everyone before i start let me introduce myself,my name is Miguel and i live in Tampa,Fl were its hot all year round :). Well i started my pocketbike craze a couple of months ago when a friend of mine gave me a pocketbike he found by the dumpster and he figured hey let me give this to Miguel, Thanks buddy all i needed was a new addiction. So i started looking around trying to figure out what kind of bike it was till i did a "Cateye" or as some people like to refer to them as "Crapeye". So i decided to give it a shoot, mind you this bike was missing all its fairings, frame was rusty, it wasn't anything special....yet. So my search led me to 2 forums Pocketbikeplanet and Midbike Nation were i registered to and started my search on trying to put this bike together. Well after 2 weeks of trying to find parts i get a pm from Randi (125ccCrazy) and we got to talking and he got me a set of x1 wheels for my cat. So we start talking on yahoo messenger and he introduces me to his world, immediatly im hooked. So Randi and I start getting ideas together and one day i woke up and decided i was gonna make my Cateye into a drag bike....ooooh my says my wife as she knew it meant trouble. So i start my mission on this bad boy.My goals is to put a Briggs & Stratton engine into the frame of this Cateye and make all the cateye haters drool :). Onto some pics.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/TeRRoR999/10-27-08_1748.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/TeRRoR999/10-27-08_1749-1.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/TeRRoR999/pic1111.jpg

So i figured at this point " hey this might work " and started getting stuff together...

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/TeRRoR999/cat3.jpg

So at this point i talk to Randi and ask him if he could fab up a piece that would tie in the parts i cut off, and Randi being one of the coolest guys said yes. Now the mission begins lol........

[TeRRoR]

..... So at this point i start think that the best action is to have the cat take a trip to Ohio where Randi lives so he could put his magic touch. This is where things get crazy. randi gets a knock on the door and to his surprise he recieves this box with something special inside lol. But when he opens it he messages me with good new and bad news. So he proceeds with the good that it arrived but it looks like a pretzel. At this point my mission gets put on hold as he sends me pics...

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/TeRRoR999/PICT0003.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/TeRRoR999/PICT0002.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/TeRRoR999/PICT0001.jpg

so at this point im like "Man what luck" but Randi being the guy that he is tells me don't worry yet let me see what i can do. the next day he messages me the next day with pics and he is where we are at...

[Shooter]

speechless33 Man Randi........ You've got some mad skillz speechless33

[125ccCrazy]

speechless33 Man Randi........ You've got some mad skillz speechless33

nah not really, looks more complicated than it is.... Hopefully it meets Miguel's expectations....

[The Nutty Professor]

wave_finger Don't even try that modesty thing it ain't gonna fly here 125cc bluelaugh That is some damn fine work and you got the "MAD! MAD!" skillsbows_smilie First getting the pretzel straight to weld it takes a very good eye and welding it so it looks like it was made that way is no easy feat either. Randi takes the props sit back and glow for a while lololol man we ain't jealous you get the props just that we ain't got the skills banghead ROTFLMAO

[Shooter]

'Twas the night before Christmas over at Randi's house
Boxes arrived like crazy from members of Midbike Nation and another from Redryderaus
Requests came pouring in from the left and from the right
Hey Randi..... Mod my swingarm, my frame, Hey.... can you make me a new midbike?
(insert your own lines here)

[The Nutty Professor]

Mind reading again I was looking at a one-off frame...just kidding Randi...a little bluelaugh moon1 moon1 bluelaugh

[mishka]

wow looks great!

nice work guys

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

man you guys and the cateyes
all us with drag bikes need to meet up one day to race

[dna316]

nah not really, looks more complicated than it is.... Hopefully it meets Miguel's expectations....

bows_smiliebows_smiliebows_smiliebows_smiliebows_s milie. i got nothing.

[The Nutty Professor]

Hell for a meet even I'd build a drag bike. Of course I'd change it to a track bike after but I'd do it moon1moon1moon1

[stuntnx7]

Hell for a meet even I'd build a drag bike. Of course I'd change it to a track bike after but I'd do it moon1moon1moon1




why nobody ever want to meet up when i said i had a track setup and ready to let us run for a $15 entry fee dunno

[125ccCrazy]

LOL....

this lil frame will be getting alot of rework to work with his hopped Briggs engine..... I'm gonna cut the swingarm tabs off and weld on some new thicker tabs for 5/8" bearings so we can run a jackshaft through the swingarm for double duty as a swingarm pivot shaft and also as a jackshaft... I may throw the swingarm I was building for my son's cat on here and build something different for my son's bike and set his up with a jackshaft also, this will give me more gearing ratios and allow me to use a narrower swingarm and the 3 spoke wheels off my x12 on it..

I like the idea of a drag race meet, that would be sweet... I can get into drag racing more than track racing, I'm too leary of a wipe out, my back would never handle hitting the pavement..

More pics to come on Miguels project as we get further along on it...

[swheels]

You did a smokin job 125cc.

[125ccCrazy]

Thanks S, so far it's starting to come along pretty good...


Miguel told me a few days ago to watch for a package so Yesterday I get another box from Fedex, open it up and it's full of grinding wheels, saw blades, cut off discs ect ect:phat:.... Everything is great, top qauility stuff, just what I need for working on these bikes...thumbsup2

Thanks Miguel

[TeRRoR]

Im glad you liked them, God what is it with all these packages your recieving lately lol bluelaughbluelaughbluelaughbluelaugh

[dna316]

Im glad you liked them, God what is it with all these packages your recieving lately lol bluelaughbluelaughbluelaughbluelaugh
lol i wish i could just pack up my frame and swinger and send it out to him. lol man hes going to do a killer job miguel, wait and see.

[125ccCrazy]

lol i wish i could just pack up my frame and swinger and send it out to him. lol man hes going to do a killer job miguel, wait and see.

Now Serving Number 11 LOL

[The Nutty Professor]

why nobody ever want to meet up when i said i had a track setup and ready to let us run for a $15 entry fee dunno

You mean for a drag meet?

[stuntnx7]

You mean for a drag meet?


yeap and then if we want to race for a purse just add 10 or so depending on how much we want for 1st and 2nd

[Unproracer]

Nice, metal worknig is a PITA some times, but you make it look easy lol. Good work man.

[swheels]

yeap and then if we want to race for a purse just add 10 or so depending on how much we want for 1st and 2ndWhere would the meet have taking place at?

anything over 7hrs worth of driving for oneday of racing won't cut it for me.The next ti i go up to sandyhook track i'm gonna make a weekend out of it.MAn i wish they would do the whole weekend instead of oneday at sandyhook.

Oh back on topic.

[TeRRoR]

update

[dna316]

nice so far. keep us up to date with pics whenever posible.

[stuntnx7]

Where would the meet have taking place at?

anything over 7hrs worth of driving for oneday of racing won't cut it for me.The next ti i go up to sandyhook track i'm gonna make a weekend out of it.MAn i wish they would do the whole weekend instead of oneday at sandyhook.

Oh back on topic.



i think your 5 hours from here 1 way....but they always do a race in nashville for $250 in may but thats like 3 hours from here...it would have to be a pretty big race for me to come back here after i move....

[The Nutty Professor]

How are you going to reinforce the donuts? Looks good and straight just wonder about side loads and twisting when you hit bumps cranked over thinking_smilie

[TeRRoR]

How are you going to reinforce the donuts? Looks good and straight just wonder about side loads and twisting when you hit bumps cranked over thinking_smilie

Randi has talked to me about adding some gussets but ill let the fabricator chime in :)

[125ccCrazy]

How are you going to reinforce the donuts? Looks good and straight just wonder about side loads and twisting when you hit bumps cranked over thinking_smilie

one thought is to put foot peg brackets back on like they came with, two tabs welded down off each "doughnut" with a pipe running side to side through each tab and then the peg brackets welded to each end of the pipe that way the stress will be distributed through both sides at the same time...

[The Nutty Professor]

thumbsup2 125cc I knew you had a plan I was just wondering where you were taking it.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

thats the swing arm support?
uh ill wait till i see the rest to say
i know you know what your doing tho

[125ccCrazy]

thats the swing arm support?
uh ill wait till i see the rest to say
i know you know what your doing tho

These are not hardware store washers, they are 1/4" steel bearing supports for a minibike jackshaft but we are making double duty of them as using them for a jackshaft and pivot shaft for the swingarm.. The jackshaft will run though the swingarm..... I'll weld tabs off of those downwards with 1" holes drilled in each tab, then a pipe will run through each tab, all welded together of course and then I'm thinking two suppost bars running from the rear of the engine plate to the cross bar... This will be more solid than stock, the stock brackets for the swinger were approx 1/8" and the stock pivot bolt was
10mm, the new JS will be 5/8"... Miguel will have endless gearing options as there will be 4 gears, one on the clutch, two on the jackshaft and one on the rear wheel... He can switch and swap for dozens of gearing ratios..thumbsup2

[SoPackedCustoms]

how much does it cost for Randi's work?

[The Nutty Professor]

how much does it cost for Randi's work?

Dude it's priceless bows_smilie

[125ccCrazy]

how much does it cost for Randi's work?

well lets put it this way, I can't wait to go to Disney thumbsup2 LOL...

No just kiddin', Miguel and I have a mutual understanding, I do what I want with the bike and he understands bluelaugh

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

understand? bluelaugh

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

How are you going to reinforce the donuts?

put cops on either side bluelaugh

[TeRRoR]

put cops on either side bluelaugh
bluelaugh

[The Nutty Professor]

You've been holding on for this one since the welded nuts haven't you bluelaugh But man I left myself wide open on that one moon1

[TeRRoR]

While Randi is having his fun on frame i get to start beefin up my 5hp...

[The Nutty Professor]

To bad the cases ain't lexan that thing looks sweet thumbsup2

[stuntnx7]

While Randi is having his fun on frame i get to start beefin up my 5hp...


5hp? briggs and stratton?

[TeRRoR]

5hp? briggs and stratton?

yes B & S

[rene13]

yes B & S

How much HP can you get out of a motor that siz?thinking_smilie

[125ccCrazy]

How much HP can you get out of a motor that siz?thinking_smilie

some of the JR Dragsters are over 20 h.p running 44mm mikunis, those are Billet cases (Blockzilla) but are based on the 5hp briggs...

[stuntnx7]

yes B & S




i had a 35 hp blockzilla with a 33mm or 34mm mikuni and i believe a 3 1/4 piston...cost $3400 with the clutch rtr

[stuntnx7]

some of the JR Dragsters are over 20 h.p running 44mm mikunis, those are Billet cases (Blockzilla) but are based on the 5hp briggs...




those 44's are on 54 hp motors with 3 1/2 & 3 3/4 piston engines that cost around $7500

[125ccCrazy]

i had a 35 hp blockzilla with a 33mm or 34mm mikuni and i believe a 3 1/4 piston...cost $3400 with the clutch rtr

those 44's are on 54 hp motors with 3 1/2 & 3 3/4 piston engines that cost around $7500


I know the h.p is up there, not sure what they get but I knew it was over 20

Here is a Jegs engine, 3.25 bore, 3" stroke, 42mm mikuni, $4000

http://www.jegs.com/p/Pure+Power/752549/10002/-1

[SoPackedCustoms]

he is probably better off putting a fully built Yamaha kt 100S engine i mean the stock kt100S does about 60 out of the box maybe faster

[The Nutty Professor]

At some point a Mid unless heavily modified ain't gonna handle that kind of power speechless33

[TeRRoR]

Well honestly i was not planning on putting a blockzilla in the bike, but if i did im pretty sure it could handle it, Hell on youtube those guys with the mini bikes race with blockzilla engines on their mini bikes with no problem dunno.

This bike will see some hp but nowhere near that mark thats for sure.......

[stuntnx7]

Well honestly i was not planning on putting a blockzilla in the bike, but if i did im pretty sure it could handle it, Hell on youtube those guys with the mini bikes race with blockzilla engines on their mini bikes with no problem dunno.

This bike will see some hp but nowhere near that mark thats for sure.......



if it wasnt winter i would say go to your local dragstrip and look for used motors...whatever they run, you could put it on a bike and take 2 seconds off atleast

[The Nutty Professor]

Well honestly i was not planning on putting a blockzilla in the bike, but if i did im pretty sure it could handle it, Hell on youtube those guys with the mini bikes race with blockzilla engines on their mini bikes with no problem dunno.

This bike will see some hp but nowhere near that mark thats for sure.......

I've seen those vid's and I also see the wheelie bars and I'll bet they've reinforced the with gussets, cross members, and all kinds of other stuff. Terror don't get me wrong I think you've got a smokin' bad-arse project goin' on I just don't want to see ya break your neck. moon1 Leave the neck breakin attempts to me. I've got plenty of man made material in me now I should be able to take a few good hits and get up easy lolol

[TeRRoR]

Woot updates bluelaugh bluelaugh bluelaugh

[TeRRoR]

Just got these pics 2 mins ago Talk about sweet :phat::phat::phat:

[SoPackedCustoms]

randi i think you shold make a gusset to support the jack shaft bearing hanger

[125ccCrazy]

randi i think you shold make a gusset to support the jack shaft bearing hanger

yeah I may still do that, gotta figure out where to mount it so it looks right and is functional..

[rene13]

Hey 125, would one of the bikes with a manual engine benefit more from this setup with the swingarm due to the gearing combos and gearing in the tranny?thinking_smilie

[dna316]

hey randi....:clap:bows_smilie:clap:bows_smilie

[The Nutty Professor]

Hey 125, would one of the bikes with a manual engine benefit more from this setup with the swingarm due to the gearing combos and gearing in the tranny?thinking_smilie


Damn Rene I just noticed you're from MAR's :phat:

[125ccCrazy]

Hey 125, would one of the bikes with a manual engine benefit more from this setup with the swingarm due to the gearing combos and gearing in the tranny?


Rene,

I guess that would depend on what ya want, any manual shift engine will be a benifit over a single speed in my oppinion but Miguel is basically building a custom mini bike and not a mid bike.... With the single speed engine
(5hp Briggs) having a jackshaft will allow him to swap out gear ratios for drag racing, crusing, low end, top end....
I'm setting my son's 125cc cateye up with the same jackshaft through the swingarm so I can run a narrower swingarm than we had on it and to put the frt sprocket on the pivot point of the swingarm so the chain won't tighten and loosen when the shock is compressed plus it will allow me to swap out a variety of gear combos unlike running a single chain where you only have two gears and limited ratios... With the jackshaft I can run as large or small of gears I want without clearance issues unlike stock where a 17 tooth is as large as you want to go without fear of busting the engine case in the event of a chain pop...
hey randi....:clap:bows_smilie:clap:bows_smilie Thanks David, hopefully over our next lay-off (starting next week) I can get Miguels frame together and shipped back.. Lots to do yet...

[rene13]

Rene,

I guess that would depend on what ya want, any manual shift engine will be a benifit over a single speed in my oppinion but Miguel is basically building a custom mini bike and not a mid bike.... With the single speed engine
(5hp Briggs) having a jackshaft will allow him to swap out gear ratios for drag racing, crusing, low end, top end....
I'm setting my son's 125cc cateye up with the same jackshaft through the swingarm so I can run a narrower swingarm than we had on it and to put the frt sprocket on the pivot point of the swingarm so the chain won't tighten and loosen when the shock is compressed plus it will allow me to swap out a variety of gear combos unlike running a single chain where you only have two gears and limited ratios... With the jackshaft I can run as large or small of gears I want without clearance issues unlike stock where a 17 tooth is as large as you want to go without fear of busting the engine case in the event of a chain pop...
Thanks David, hopefully over our next lay-off (starting next week) I can get Miguels frame together and shipped back.. Lots to do yet...

I have to really look at my bike to see if I could do it without anything getting in the way. I can just imagine what performance I could get from my bike with that setup. I could really leave some cars at the light. What the price on something like that?

[125ccCrazy]

I have to really look at my bike to see if I could do it without anything getting in the way. I can just imagine what performance I could get from my bike with that setup. I could really leave some cars at the light. What the price on something like that?

price of what Rene??

[rene13]

price of what Rene??

A setup like that on my swingarm? I don't want to mod the frame just the swingarm.

[125ccCrazy]

A setup like that on my swingarm? I don't want to mod the frame just the swingarm.
well the frame will have to be modded to do this set up as you will need two 5/8" i.d bearings for the jackshaft to run on and then either two more bearings in the swingarm pivot tube or bronze bushing with a 5/8 i.d.... This can't be done without welding on new brackets for the bearings and modding the swingarm for the bearings and with the x18 frame the brackets the swingarm pivot on are in front of the frame rails so thats gonna cause another situation..... Long story short, several mods will have to be done to make this work on your frame..... as far as cost for the parts, somewhere around $75-$100..

[rene13]

Sorry for the minor thread jack but this what I was aiming for or close to it. I knew the way you are doing the frame has to be modded, but maybe like this it wouldn't. What do you think.

[TeRRoR]

same concept as what Randi is doing on my cat, I like it though looks different

[125ccCrazy]

Sorry for the minor thread jack but this what I was aiming for or close to it. I knew the way you are doing the frame has to be modded, but maybe like this it wouldn't. What do you think.
A new swingarm would probably have to be made... The sprockets would have to be on the insides of the stock swingarm so a new swinger built narrower at the front so the sprockets could be mounted to the outside like in that pic would probably be the best option...

[SoPackedCustoms]

Any up dates yet??

[TeRRoR]

Yeah heres a few couple of changes since last post but almost there

[TeRRoR]

oh yeah some new updates, and no this project isnt dead

[TeRRoR]

this thing is looking good

[X7rocks]

its getting kinkier by the update :)

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

looks like an electric candidate with all the room under the fairing