X18 gsxr6 project

[dna316]

K so i finally had some time to start on my 18 paint jobrolleye0010.will see how she turns out. I started out using 400 grit for that nasty injection molded flash heres a few pics. later on today ill get more pics.

[CAM2]

You gotta remove that tank cover and block sand the whole tank cover now using 45 degree strokes and 1000 grit paper or youll see the sand spots in the shine after you paint the bike.Are you going to use a high build primer to prep it?Waterbase primers are good.It gives a wide array of choices when painting the plastics due to minimal or no chemical interaction between certain paints and primers.Epoxy primers are great also but sanding epoxy primer is a labor of love.Well Ill see where youre going with it later on.What most dont know is that you can powdercoat plastic fairings.I know theres the experts here and say it cant be done but heres how its done.........you use zinc based primer and put on a high build and block sand the primer without sanding through then you can check the panels for current flow with a battery powered continuity tester.Touch both electrodes to the panel.If it beeps its good for powdercoat.Peace

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

lol you sanded it on the bike?
you should do body work with it apart, now you got sand dust all over the motor and everything
and wetsanding is great

[x18]

yeah take the farings off and you have to at least scuff the paint instead of just sanding the mold lines thumbsup2 , cam2 i used 600 grit and i didnt have any scratches but mine is flat black so that might be why

[dna316]

LOL. yea i already took the fairings off. it just gave me a bit more leverage while they were on the bike. just for those lines on the tank and rear. now i got all fairings off and the bike is clean lol. all i got left is to come back over it all with 1000 and water, and ill be set to start painting today hopefully. oh and blitz yea i will do that mod you did to the bottom fairing. replacing that bottom section with the aluminium. the bottom section of fairings starting to crack and make its way up the side. ill have more pics after work.

[dna316]

and yea cam2. once im done with the 1000, ill come back with a light coat of primer then ill b ready to laydown some color. Im not going to do a powder coat on it since its my first time trying to paint on the 18. but will c how it goes, thnx bro

[125ccCrazy]

How can you powder coat plastic??, it would melt when the powder coat was baked....I believe powder coat is baked at 400 or 450 degrees, these plastic bodies will melt long before that temp is reached..

[dna316]

good thing im not even considering it. plus im a bit to cheap for that, lol

[dna316]

oh and whats a good quality clear that i can get in a spray can?

[125ccCrazy]

oh and whats a good quality clear that i can get in a spray can?

LOL, dunnonothing much out there that I would call Good in rattle cans, well not for a professional finish that is....About your only choice is Dupli Color or Plasticote...For a qaulity paint job you will need a spray gun and good automotive clear like a 2 part urethane clear...

[r32rider]

^^^^^ i will say bullshit on that one, lol. when me and smurf did his bike its all painted and cleared by rattle can duplicolor and it was flawless. looked like it was done at a boddy shop. as long as you wet sand in between coats it turns out so sick. just take your time and sand and clean between coats and it will be fine.

[125ccCrazy]

^^^^^ i will say bullshit on that one, lol. when me and smurf did his bike its all painted and cleared by rattle can duplicolor and it was flawless. looked like it was done at a boddy shop. as long as you wet sand in between coats it turns out so sick. just take your time and sand and clean between coats and it will be fine.


ok then you must be a master painter to take chit paint and make it look like it came out of Boyds shop I bows_smilie to thee

anytime you want to have a paint off LMK

heres what ya get with good clear

[r32rider]

honest to god truth i dont see much difference in yours and the one we did in black. the only roblem is that we done have a booth so we had a few specs of trash, but after wet5 sand and buff it was beautiful. and by no means am i claiming i can paint better then you. so dont take this in that way. peace.

[125ccCrazy]

honest to god truth i dont see much difference in yours and the one we did in black. the only roblem is that we done have a booth so we had a few specs of trash, but after wet5 sand and buff it was beautiful. and by no means am i claiming i can paint better then you. so dont take this in that way. peace.

No Problem, I don't claim to be a professional myself I've just been doing this since I was a kid and have used alot of different paints over the years, the spray can stuff is okay for decent job but for longevity and durability for a show finish the new urethanes and base coats are the only way to go..... On the black/green cateye I used duplicolor universal black that I sprayed through my gun after draining the cans, I mixed some kameleon flake in the paint and the sprayed several coats of 2 part urethane clear, wetsanded with 2000 annd buffed with a buffer....I even sprayed the cat outside, with the urethane clear you can buff alot of dust out unlike the spray stuff since it doesnt build very thick before it starts yellowing.... Over time that laquer will crack and check...

With all the work he is doing to get rid of the casting marks and all I was just voicing my oppinion on what to use to compliment all the hard prep work he is going through......rock2

[X7rocks]

randi is that your latest cateye? that paint job is amazeing

[r32rider]

what are the casting marks?

[125ccCrazy]

randi is that your latest cateye? that paint job is amazeing

Yeah Kenny that is one I finished and sold about a month ago, my son's buddy bought it, after he bought it the 16mm carb broke from a bad casting, the smallest spare carb I had was an 18mm, he put that on it and the bike really screams now.... Everyone is so hooked on those tiny wt603 carbs, these engines will handle alot more carb than that with some work...thumbsup2

what are the casting marks?


casting marks are the rough lines, divets in the plastic from the seams and imperfections in the molds..

[dna316]

yea 125. im taking my time well that and i got a 1& half year old boy that just wants to turn the garage into his own workshop allready lol. anyways yea im thinking ill finish the wetsand with 1000 today and ill do a 2000 wet after each coat, and since im doing black and yellow it will take a bit to get all my divisor lines layed out and lined up. im confident i can get it done nicely with the rattle cans, but i also agree with you. if you want a show bike quality finish for your bike use the automotive stuff. but im not to worried bout it. a nice even glossy finish is ok for me. later on ill get into the real nice detail.

[dna316]

and nice job on that cat bro.

[dna316]

No Problem, I don't claim to be a professional myself I've just been doing this since I was a kid and have used alot of different paints over the years, the spray can stuff is okay for decent job but for longevity and durability for a show finish the new urethanes and base coats are the only way to go..... On the black/green cateye I used duplicolor universal black that I sprayed through my gun after draining the cans, I mixed some kameleon flake in the paint and the sprayed several coats of 2 part urethane clear, wetsanded with 2000 annd buffed with a buffer....I even sprayed the cat outside, with the urethane clear you can buff alot of dust out unlike the spray stuff since it doesnt build very thick before it starts yellowing.... Over time that laquer will crack and check...

With all the work he is doing to get rid of the casting marks and all I was just voicing my oppinion on what to use to compliment all the hard prep work he is going through......rock2

So i got a question, once i get the fairings wetsanded with 1000, and im good to go with the paint. do i lay down a nice layer of black then go over it with 2000 wet. then another coat of black. then tape my lines to do the yellow, then 2000 wetsand it, then another coat of yellow. then another2000 wet on the entire thing. then clear?

[The Nutty Professor]

You gotta remove that tank cover and block sand the whole tank cover now using 45 degree strokes and 1000 grit paper or youll see the sand spots in the shine after you paint the bike.Are you going to use a high build primer to prep it?Waterbase primers are good.It gives a wide array of choices when painting the plastics due to minimal or no chemical interaction between certain paints and primers.Epoxy primers are great also but sanding epoxy primer is a labor of love.Well Ill see where youre going with it later on.What most dont know is that you can powdercoat plastic fairings.I know theres the experts here and say it cant be done but heres how its done.........you use zinc based primer and put on a high build and block sand the primer without sanding through then you can check the panels for current flow with a battery powered continuity tester.Touch both electrodes to the panel.If it beeps its good for powdercoat.Peace

CAM CAM CAM I got to give it to you my man. Here I thought you were huffin carb cleaner bluelaugh when you said powder coat plastic. I looked it up and DAMN! I was amazed it never occurred to me thinking_smilie I think the only hold up is that our plastic fairing have a melting point that is to low. They powder coat a nylon used in office furniture and I think I know which plastic they mean but I don't know it's name. I know I'll never find a company down here. They powder coat but I wonder at their ability to do much more than car parts that's not to say they don't do good work they do fantastic work but if it's something they normally don't mess with their eyes glaze over.

[125ccCrazy]

So i got a question, once i get the fairings wetsanded with 1000, and im good to go with the paint. do i lay down a nice layer of black then go over it with 2000 wet. then another coat of black. then tape my lines to do the yellow, then 2000 wetsand it, then another coat of yellow. then another2000 wet on the entire thing. then clear?

You need to layer on several coats of primer, preferably high build primer, block sand that with 400, seal it with sealer and then lay down the paint...

if you are going to do yellow and black, spray a coat of white where you want the yellow, let that dry for an hour and spray the yellow...let that dry for oh maybe 5 or 6 hours depending on temp and humidity, mask off the design and then spray the black.... ALWAYS do the light colors first....Covering black or dark colors with light colors is a pain, not impossible but lots more paint and work..

[swheels]

CAM CAM CAM I got to give it to you my man. Here I thought you were huffin carb cleaner bluelaugh when you said powder coat plastic. I looked it up and DAMN! I was amazed it never occurred to me thinking_smilie I think the only hold up is that our plastic fairing have a melting point that is to low. They powder coat a nylon used in office furniture and I think I know which plastic they mean but I don't know it's name. I know I'll never find a company down here. They powder coat but I wonder at their ability to do much more than car parts that's not to say they don't do good work they do fantastic work but if it's something they normally don't mess with their eyes glaze over.You know what i was thinking........Having the plastics wrapped like they do the automobiles.Just think the graphics and paint scheme already done in the wrap.Now THAT would be cool.SOmbody will make a ton of money if they were to do it for the mids.thumbsup2

[dna316]

cool 125. so i dont need to wetsand after each coat or anything? and yea i wasnt sure but you just confirmed it for me as far as doing the lighter colors first. plus most of the designs or stripes are in black.

[dna316]

oh hey so i was browsing through sites and came across this write up
http://www.cheapest-new-car.com/Unsecured/2008-03-16/5048.html
do you guys think this is a good step by step?

[125ccCrazy]

cool 125. so i dont need to wetsand after each coat or anything? and yea i wasnt sure but you just confirmed it for me as far as doing the lighter colors first. plus most of the designs or stripes are in black.

no wetsanding between coats is not nec, when you see shops paint cars they generally dont unless they are getting a lot of dirt in the paint as they spray.... If each coat is sprayed without a lot of orange peel then you can just layer the paint on and then clear it

If you have a metallic, pearl or a candy paint, sanding bewteen coats is a definate NONO, you will sand off the metallic, pearls or color in areas and it will look splotchy. Sanding colors only works on solid colors..

If you are doing multi designs then a clear coat called an inner clear is sprayed over the top of the design, let dry, lightly sanded and then that designed is masked and the next one is layed out, with a inner coat sprayed over each layer, this is to protect each layer as you go and also if the paint job sets a little longer between coats of paint the inner coat will be sanded to promote adhesion to the next layer..... Hope that makes sense...

oh hey so i was browsing through sites and came across this write up
http://www.cheapest-new-car.com/Unsecured/2008-03-16/5048.html
do you guys think this is a good step by step?

yeah that about explains it pretty simply...

[dna316]

awesome 125. now im ready to finish my bike. thanks bro ill throw more pics up asap

[dna316]

Ok so heres a quick update. I got the nose piece primered and sanded and primered again, ready for paincool_smilie. I also have the side fairings sanded taped up and im waiting for the undercoating stuff to cure. thanks blitzthumbsup2 for the suggestion that stuff is awesome, the fairings actualy feel tougher. and i also bought the plastic fusion thanks to shooterthumbsup2 for that idea. and bonded the left fairing since it was cracking to hell at the bottom by the kickstand. thats just for now cause im going to do that mod blitz did with the aluminium bottom. so heres some pics.

[dna316]

the last pic shows the cracks bonded and sanded.

[x18]

your farings look worse than mine and ive already wiped out once bluelaugh but you need to get a small drill bit and drill out the edge of the crack so it doesnt spread then fill it all in

[dna316]

yup thats what i did.lol and between the plastic fusion and the undercoat it should be good to go. plus the next project will be to make the bottom of the fairings in aluminium like blitz did. but man im stoked to start the painting allready.

[Shooter]

Great progress there dna thumbsup2
I hear ya about getting stoked to do the painting....... just be patient and don't rush anything.
It's nice to see someone make great use of the help provided here at Midbike Nation thumbsup2
Can't wait to see the fiinished product rock2

[dna316]

Thanks bro, yea thats why i been asking so many questions and taking my time with the sanding and all that. so thanks to all for being pacient and answering my dummy questions here and there. lol cant wait to get to the next step on this whole job, oh and i just ordered a pair of rear view mirrors just casuse they were cheap.

[125ccCrazy]

Ok so heres a quick update. I got the nose piece primered and sanded and primered again, ready for paincool_smilie. I also have the side fairings sanded taped up and im waiting for the undercoating stuff to cure. thanks blitzthumbsup2 for the suggestion that stuff is awesome, the fairings actualy feel tougher. and i also bought the plastic fusion thanks to shooterthumbsup2 for that idea. and bonded the left fairing since it was cracking to hell at the bottom by the kickstand. thats just for now cause im going to do that mod blitz did with the aluminium bottom. so heres some pics.

Man I wish I'd known before you undercoated the panel I would have suggested getting some sheet plastic and gluing behind those cracks to
re-enforce them.... Those cracks are pretty big, long that is.......At any rate it's looking good so far....thumbsup2

[dna316]

thanks 125. yea i thought about something like that, then i said to myself screw it. im going to eventual cut the bottom section of the fairings off and make them out of aluminium like blitz did. this way its way easier to change the oil and i dont have to worry bout cracking or anything like that.

[125ccCrazy]

no need to cut the bottom off just to change the oil, you can just take a string with a small nut tied to it, tape the string to the drain plug to make a plumb bob, put the fairing on and where the string touches mark it and then get a hole saw, maybe 1 1/2", drill the hole and then you can get up in there to take the plug out with an extension and socket.... You could also drill a hole in the middle of the drain plug, tap threads and screw in a drain cock with a short hose on it, this way you wouldnt even have to take the drain plug out, just open the drain cock...

[Ghost Rider]

For the undercoating can you just tape off the front side of the plastic so it doesnt get over spray, then just spray it on the backside. No prep or sanding right?

[x18]

no need to cut the bottom off just to change the oil, you can just take a string with a small nut tied to it, tape the string to the drain plug to make a plumb bob, put the fairing on and where the string touches mark it and then get a hole saw, maybe 1 1/2", drill the hole and then you can get up in there to take the plug out with an extension and socket.... You could also drill a hole in the middle of the drain plug, tap threads and screw in a drain cock with a short hose on it, this way you wouldnt even have to take the drain plug out, just open the drain cock...
yeah cutting the bottoms out isnt the best idea i did it on my x18 and had to make some braces to stop them from breaking since the x18 fairings dont have that extra mount like the other midbikes it was worth it since mine were all broken on the bottom

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

the major disadvantage of the x18 is the poor body
glad you like my advise so far
the aluminum lower panel is working out great, way better than i thought
it was a hard mod so plan it out before you try it

[CAM2]

Heres what I use to repair broken plastics.............I got it from my local speed shop......$24.95 and well worth it....

http://plastex.home.att.net/


I fixed all the broken mount holes on my X-1 plastics and two RC car plastic frames and they hold better than new.

Peace

[dna316]

K sorry no progress pics guys, i had to fly out to n.y my dads health is rapidly going down hill, ****ing cancer. pardon my french.
yea 18 the reason why i wanted to do that mod is cause i understand the way it all works and i know it would be structuraly sound and its like way easier to oil change since you dont have to take off the entire side fairing. blitz yea im gonna try to make the part without cutting my exsisting fairing piece off so i can take my time and bend all properly. and your pics from that post helps out like no other. and cam2 that stuff is awesome i wonder if that stuff can be used to somewhat mold, like when doing body work. i seen a set of headlight id like to replace the single headlight with a 2 light system. they allmost fit perfectly in the two holes where the small silver grill pieces go under the turn lights, will see. and ill see if i can get some more pics for you guys of the progress so far with my paint job.

[dna316]

k heres a few pics, and im done with the yellow. and just started on the black. tommorw im going to put the fairings back on and start throwing my tape lines for the black stripes and stuff. will see

[dna316]

and a few more. cant wait to get to start on the linework.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

cool beans
my wife would love that yellow
looks like maybe you should have primered some
i can see where the blue is so strong that it bleeds through the yellow
i had to primer my 18 before i painted it white or else it would have took a can for each panel to cover
when taping lines, dont leave the tape on for more than 8hrs, or it may pull off what you already have, also use painters tape

[Ghost Rider]

cool beans
my wife would love that yellow
looks like maybe you should have primered some
i can see where the blue is so strong that it bleeds through the yellow
i had to primer my 18 before i painted it white or else it would have took a can for each panel to cover
when taping lines, dont leave the tape on for more than 8hrs, or it may pull off what you already have, also use painters tape


Your talking about the lower parts of the fairing in the 4th pic arent you? Im pretty sure hes painting that section black on both sides, thats why he didnt paint the other side. But im not sure what hes doing with the tank...Black circle in the middle???


The bike is gonna look sweet though DNA!!!

[dna316]

Your talking about the lower parts of the fairing in the 4th pic arent you? Im pretty sure hes painting that section black on both sides, thats why he didnt paint the other side. But im not sure what hes doing with the tank...Black circle in the middle???


The bike is gonna look sweet though DNA!!!


hey 49ccgsxrbike you nailed itcool_smilie. I did actually primer all pieces before paint.
and so heres what i got after jamming on the black, but still not fully done.

[dna316]

and some morerolleye0010

[dna316]

and the the last few rolleye0010.

[SoPackedCustoms]

YOU GO TO ADMIT FOR A RATTLE CAN JOB THATS PRETTY DAMN GOOD LOL GOOD WORKS MAN

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

rattle can in the house! thumbsup2rock2

[dna316]

rattle can in the house! thumbsup2rock2

LOL thanks. Yea thats why i been taking my sweet time. i wanted it to come out right the first time. and lol mind you i have never taken on a project like this so im prety stoked its actually looking good. so today after work im going to put the fairings back on the bike, ill take pics and then its on to the last stripes that go on the side fairings and the tail. ill try to find the pic here at work and post it of the bike that im trying to mimic. my brother had it and crashed it bad.

[dna316]

K heres the scheme im going forrock2

[dna316]

give or take. i didnt want to mimic it exactly so i moved a few colors arround.

[Supercharged]

nice, looks good

[dna316]

nice, looks good

thanks. i cant wait to get home and throw the fairings on it and start taping the stripes.

[Ghost Rider]

Are you painting the wheels or exhaust black?

[dna316]

Are you painting the wheels or exhaust black?

Im going to leave the exhaust as is for now and im going to do the wheels for sure, but im not entirely sure how im going to tape the rims thinking_smilie. my idea is to leave the lip of the rim and the front side of the spokes silver and just paint the inside or middle of the rims flat blackrolleye0010. any ideas?

[Ghost Rider]

I would paint the wheels all black and then paint the outer lip yellowthumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

if your gonna rep that bike, then i guess paint it all black
personally i like the polished lip with color in the middle
just dont paint your tire, rotor and everything like some other people here

[dna316]

if your gonna rep that bike, then i guess paint it all black
personally i like the polished lip with color in the middle
just dont paint your tire, rotor and everything like some other people here

LOL yea i like the color in the middle with the lip polished to. thats what im aiming at. and yea ill try not to incorporate the tire in the paint job lol. oh damn i just remembered i got pics with the fairings all put back on the bike and forgot to post them. ok when i get home ill do that, and im going to start taping up for the stripes. the colors will be inverted but again i wanted to add a little of my own scheme and not just make an exact copy. will see, im allmost done.rock2

[The Nutty Professor]

moon1moon1 Yeah paint the rotor and you'll be repainting the bike real soon bluelaughbluelaugh Nice repli-paint

[dna316]

moon1moon1 Yeah paint the rotor and you'll be repainting the bike real soon bluelaughbluelaugh Nice repli-paint

LOL yea nutty, im trying to tape up as much as i can as i go along. that would suck to get the rotors sprayed on accident. oh hey so i was also thinking of taking off the brake calipers and painting then to just not sure black or yellow.

[Ghost Rider]

I painted mine with some left over black duplicolor caliper paint. If your painting your wheels black then i would paint the calipers yellow then make some black Tokico stickers to fit on therethumbsup2

[dna316]

I painted mine with some left over black duplicolor caliper paint. If your painting your wheels black then i would paint the calipers yellow then make some black Tokico stickers to fit on therethumbsup2

oh thats the ticket. hell yea thnx 125

[Ghost Rider]

oh thats the ticket. hell yea thnx 125

Im not 125..im 49 haha

Do you have those new pics of your bike yet?

[SoPackedCustoms]

screw tokico put a brembo one on there lol

[dna316]

Im not 125..im 49 haha

Do you have those new pics of your bike yet?

lol wow sorrycrazy_smilie im a dumbass lol.

[dna316]

and yea i got some new pics with all the plastics on it, and im working on throwing down the stripes on it. man thats taking some time. to get everything nice and straight, since the 18s fairings have all these wierd curves and cutouts. but i almost got one side all taped up. if my son allows me to, ill snap a few more pics today and post them. im stoked to finish this thing, its looking nice so far, i think.

[dna316]

screw tokico put a brembo one on there lol

lol ill do that for now, but id rather have the actual brembo brakes. that will come here soon.

[dna316]

if your gonna rep that bike, then i guess paint it all black
personally i like the polished lip with color in the middle
just dont paint your tire, rotor and everything like some other people here

hey blits did you paint those yourself? did you just tape the lip up and go to town on the inner portion? and they make the paint specialy for the rims? a heavier duty paint?

[The Nutty Professor]

Or you can paint the rims black and use a yellow pin stripe right on the rim end. Gives it that 1:1 bike look. That being said I like the polished lip or painted center and polishing the rest like Blitz did. Just my twocents

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rim-stripe-wheel-tape-decal-sticker-600r-cbr600rr-954rr_W0QQitemZ320306054941QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m320306054941&_trkparms=72%3A727|39%3A1|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

[dna316]

Or you can paint the rims black and use a yellow pin stripe right on the rim end. Gives it that 1:1 bike look. That being said I like the polished lip or painted center and polishing the rest like Blitz did. Just my twocents

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rim-stripe-wheel-tape-decal-sticker-600r-cbr600rr-954rr_W0QQitemZ320306054941QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m320306054941&_trkparms=72%3A727|39%3A1|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

yea i agree, i like that polished lip with the black rim. any suggestions on what paint i should get for the rims?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

dna, yep i did it just like you thought
ive used lots of paint, if you do good, its good
the gold was special, but i wanted special

[dna316]

dna, yep i did it just like you thought
ive used lots of paint, if you do good, its good
the gold was special, but i wanted special

cool beans, and yea man i like that color man you nailed it with the color selection for those rims:phat:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well i repainted them red so its all yours!
use painters tape
my next bike will be yellow by wife request so im thinkin to do the wheels in bright azz yellow and the body in kawi green, for a lemon/lime theme

[dna316]

K heres a few more, progress so farcool_smilie. I have to reposition one of the lines of tape but thats part of the process and i still have to tape the left side.

[dna316]

and the last two for now

[x18]

that looks sick bows_smilie

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

hell ya man, i was like wtf till i saw the last pic
thats gonna be great, i know your riding high right now
take your time, and remember that it will get messed up, so matter what, so just be ready to do some touch up if needed
i had finished spraying one of my parts with clear, and just dropped it all on the floor, and to do a few spots, pissed me off

[dna316]

hell ya man, i was like wtf till i saw the last pic
thats gonna be great, i know your riding high right now
take your time, and remember that it will get messed up, so matter what, so just be ready to do some touch up if needed
i had finished spraying one of my parts with clear, and just dropped it all on the floor, and to do a few spots, pissed me off

thanks bro. yea im taking my time allright, i have repositioned the tape so many times, it aint even funnyangry_red. but i figure take my time and do it right. yea that would suck to have to touch up a few spots after your this far along in the process. and im going to cover up with newspaper everything so i dont end up with any overspray on the yellow. id hate to have to come back and redo something. but im so stoked to start the stripesrock2

[X-18_Banshee]

Very Very Nice!!! Thats gonna look sweet..nice job!! thumbsup2

[stuntnx7]

thanks bro. yea im taking my time allright, i have repositioned the tape so many times, it aint even funnyangry_red. but i figure take my time and do it right. yea that would suck to have to touch up a few spots after your this far along in the process. and im going to cover up with newspaper everything so i dont end up with any overspray on the yellow. id hate to have to come back and redo something. but im so stoked to start the stripesrock2




you shoulda used the skinny tape then the wide tape.... twocents

[ninja x1]

its gonna look bad ass manthumbsup2 r u gonna put some decals on it?

[Shooter]

Is your bike going to look like x18NFS's bike that I keep seeing up there in the slideshow banner?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

its should look way better since he dont have all that carbon fibre stickers in the front

[dna316]

you shoulda used the skinny tape then the wide tape.... twocents


i know man i thought about that cause i saw that tape at one of the hdwr stores i went to, then i was like nah i dont need that. but yea i should have.

[dna316]

its gonna look bad ass manthumbsup2 r u gonna put some decals on it?

hell yea i got all the templates for the yoshimura, gsxr, suzuki and all that. oh yea man. thats the nice finishing touch for it.thumbsup2

[dna316]

Is your bike going to look like x18NFS's bike that I keep seeing up there in the slideshow banner?

lol not really, but kinda. the colors are about the same, just a different scheme. I like nfs bike and all so no pun intended but i want mine to look different than the rest of the rep suzukis. thats why i rearranged some of the stripes and the order of the colors. but his bike does look nice.thumbsup2

[stuntnx7]

i know man i thought about that cause i saw that tape at one of the hdwr stores i went to, then i was like nah i dont need that. but yea i should have.



you see how you have wrinkles in the tape....the line wont look as clean like this....

[stuntnx7]

i know man i thought about that cause i saw that tape at one of the hdwr stores i went to, then i was like nah i dont need that. but yea i should have.



you see how you have wrinkles in the tape....the line wont look as clean like this....

[dna316]

you see how you have wrinkles in the tape....the line wont look as clean like this....

oh no im not going to paint with this tape job alone, this was just to mock everything up. im going to run another line of tape over this blue tape. just past the very edge of the blue tape and im going to use a more rubberized tape i have. I already tried to use the painters tape and the lines dont come out clean with it, so i got the other tape that makes a better seal and a straighter line. but thanks for pointing that out.thumbsup2

[stuntnx7]

oh no im not going to paint with this tape job alone, this was just to mock everything up. im going to run another line of tape over this blue tape. just past the very edge of the blue tape and im going to use a more rubberized tape i have. I already tried to use the painters tape and the lines dont come out clean with it, so i got the other tape that makes a better seal and a straighter line. but thanks for pointing that out.thumbsup2



just tryin to help a bro out thumbsup2

[dna316]

just tryin to help a bro out thumbsup2

I know, thanks. yea if it wasnt for all you guys on here i probably wouldnt have made it this far lolrolleye0010. thanks again to everyone for their help and input.thumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

you shouldnt leave the tape on the paint for more than a day, after that, your taking chances that it will peel up the paint you laid
dont ask how i know that

[dna316]

you shouldnt leave the tape on the paint for more than a day, after that, your taking chances that it will peel up the paint you laid
dont ask how i know that

Even if its this crappy blue painters tape?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya, the glue on it sets after awhile, enough to lift weak paint
i didnt use the blue but same 3M stuff
a trick we do in autobody is to stick the tape to your pants a little to 'remove' some sticky, but still, a day is a long time
i taped a panel off, shot it, waited a few hours, and peeled it off
not hating on suzi but there are so many of them, im just kinda sick of it, however, your bike looks to be an exception

[dna316]

ya, the glue on it sets after awhile, enough to lift weak paint
i didnt use the blue but same 3M stuff
a trick we do in autobody is to stick the tape to your pants a little to 'remove' some sticky, but still, a day is a long time
i taped a panel off, shot it, waited a few hours, and peeled it off
not hating on suzi but there are so many of them, im just kinda sick of it, however, your bike looks to be an exception

Thanks blitz, yea dude thats what i did tothumbsup2, sticking the tape on my pants to lessen the sticky but yea thanks for the tip on the tape deal. so i just got the bike finished with all the colorsrock2. i just need the clear coat and im good to start on the rims and calipers witch is the last step with this paint job. I do have a question though.... should i wet sand the entire thing with 1200 real light before the clear coat?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i didnt but i guess you could
i didnt want to take the chance

[dna316]

it just seems to have a few spots that have like dry paint dots here and there not much but when you run your hand over it you can tell. not if you look at it but still i want to know its right. and i figure the clear coat will give it shine anyways. ill post a pic here in a sec of what it looks like so far

[CAM2]

How can you powder coat plastic??, it would melt when the powder coat was baked....I believe powder coat is baked at 400 or 450 degrees, these plastic bodies will melt long before that temp is reached..


Heres the method they use to powdercoat plastic wood and stone and plexi-glass too...........................\



The flame-spray technique was recently developed for application of
thermoplatic powder coatings. The thermoplastic powder is fluidized
by compressed air and fed into a flame gun where it is injected through
a flame of propane, and the powder melts. The molten coating
particles are deposited on the workpiece, forming a film on
solidification. Since no direct heating of the workpiece is required, this
technique is suitable for applying coatings to most substrates. Metal,
wood, rubber, and masonry can be successfully coated by this
technique. This technology is also suitable for coating large or
permanently-fixed objects.

I hope this clears up the most commonly used method today......we get plastic sent out and powdercoated at my job everyday

I dont see why the plastic cant stand 400 degrees anyway;-even though with this process its 100% safe from harming plastic.........the exhaust pipes heats up to 1000 degrees at the manifold to the same 400 degres at the tailpiper and none of my plastics have melted yet......I got my exhaust tips directly up against the plastic.......
the x-19 that was burnt a few months ago faired well for direct flameage...........Peace

[dna316]

Heres the method they use to powdercoat plastic wood and stone and plexi-glass too...........................



The flame-spray technique was recently developed for application of
thermoplatic powder coatings. The thermoplastic powder is fluidized
by compressed air and fed into a flame gun where it is injected through
a flame of propane, and the powder melts. The molten coating
particles are deposited on the workpiece, forming a film on
solidification. Since no direct heating of the workpiece is required, this
technique is suitable for applying coatings to most substrates. Metal,
wood, rubber, and masonry can be successfully coated by this
technique. This technology is also suitable for coating large or
permanently-fixed objects.

I hope this clears up the most commonly used method today......we get plastic sent out and powdercoated at my job everyday

I dont see why the plastic cant stand 400 degrees anyway;-even though with this process its 100% safe from harming plastic.........the exhaust pipes heats up to 1000 degrees at the manifold to the same 400 degres at the tailpiper and none of my plastics have melted yet......I got my exhaust tips directly up against the plastic.......
the x-19 that was burnt a few months ago faired well for direct flameage...........Peace

thats tight, prety expensive though right?

[dna316]

Ik so i took these pics befor leaving to work this am and i took them with my phone so their a bit dark but i wanted to post some more progress. at this point i just need to give it a light wetsand with 1200 and clear everything, well and like blitz said before im going to have to do 1 or 2 touchup spots but nothing major. oh and i threw in a pic of the speedo i got off ebay that nutty found, thanks nutty.thumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya thats nice

[dna316]

Damnit. i must have gotten a defective can of clear coat, it wont spray right. so ill be getting another tommorow and ill finish the fairings up and once there all dry ill thow them on and take some pics. i did manage to coat the nose piece and wow it looks tight all shiny. once im done with the plastics its on to the rims and the calipers.

[125ccCrazy]

I dont see why the plastic cant stand 400 degrees anyway;-even though with this process its 100% safe from harming plastic.........the exhaust pipes heats up to 1000 degrees at the manifold to the same 400 degres at the tailpiper and none of my plastics have melted yet......I got my exhaust tips directly up against the plastic.......[/FONT


Heat your oven to 400 degrees and throw one of your body panels in it and lmk know how it turns out...thumbsup2.... oh make sure you have a turkey baster to take it out of the oven with...

[X7rocks]

.........lol

[rene13]

Did you taken any pics of the speedo sensors? What sensors did it come with.

[The Nutty Professor]

Let's see if the photo's I just took show you what you need Rene?

[dna316]

yep. thats the one.

[mishka]

looks good manthumbsup2

will you paint the rims too?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

dam the v-max is 200 hp speechless33
i like the looks of the vapor better, that 'nankang whatever looks bad

[Niusiic[latvia]]

hey nutty p. Where the hell can I get that speedo?

[125ccCrazy]

got me one of those speedos too, just came in a few days ago... The only thing is that the magnet is supposed to be attached to a spoke in the bicycle wheel so it will have to be taken out of the little clamp or find another magnet and glue it to the pb wheel..... Probably the best way to do it would be drill a slight recess in the lip of the lip of the wheel the same size as the magnet but Not too deep and then silicone or jb weld it in that pocket... Just my twocents

The vapor is definately a nicer unit with it's tach, engine temp, ect but for $12 ya can't go wrong if needing just a speedo...

;24932']hey nutty p. Where the hell can I get that speedo?
EBAY

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gift-Bicycle-Bike-Speedometer-Computer-Odometer-Cycling_W0QQitemZ170268867332QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem170268867332&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bicycle-Bike-Speedometer-Computer-Odometer-Cycling_W0QQitemZ230297799508QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem230297799508&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[dna316]

got me one of those speedos too, just came in a few days ago... The only thing is that the magnet is supposed to be attached to a spoke in the bicycle wheel so it will have to be taken out of the little clamp or find another magnet and glue it to the pb wheel..... Probably the best way to do it would be drill a slight recess in the lip of the lip of the wheel the same size as the magnet but Not too deep and then silicone or jb weld it in that pocket... Just my twocents

The vapor is definately a nicer unit with it's tach, engine temp, ect but for $12 ya can't go wrong if needing just a speedo...


EBAY

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gift-Bicycle-Bike-Speedometer-Computer-Odometer-Cycling_W0QQitemZ170268867332QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem170268867332&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bicycle-Bike-Speedometer-Computer-Odometer-Cycling_W0QQitemZ230297799508QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem230297799508&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

yep 125 thats it. for 12 buck its a good deal but its designed for a bicycle spoke. ill get to machining a part for mounting the magnet. the only other thing i dont like is that it doesnt read out mph just km.

[dna316]

dam the v-max is 200 hp speechless33
i like the looks of the vapor better, that 'nankang whatever looks bad

yea blitz ill just use this speedo for now. next time ill just save up for the vapor.

[The Nutty Professor]

got me one of those speedos too, just came in a few days ago... The only thing is that the magnet is supposed to be attached to a spoke in the bicycle wheel so it will have to be taken out of the little clamp or find another magnet and glue it to the pb wheel..... Probably the best way to do it would be drill a slight recess in the lip of the lip of the wheel the same size as the magnet but Not too deep and then silicone or jb weld it in that pocket... Just my twocents

The vapor is definately a nicer unit with it's tach, engine temp, ect but for $12 ya can't go wrong if needing just a speedo...

125cc this is what I threw together for a different setup.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

lol thats just crazy enough to work

[The Nutty Professor]

HAHAHAHA it did moon1moon1:phat:

[125ccCrazy]

thats an idea, didnt think about the valve stem..thumbsup2. How accurate do you think it is??

[dna316]

K so here it is with the plastics all donecool_smilie, now its on to the rimsrolleye0010. what you guys think so far?

[dna316]

and now mounted.......rolleye0010?????????????

[dna316]

125cc this is what I threw together for a different setup.

nutty thats inovative. does it read out accuratly? what mm did you set the speedo to?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

very nice dna, what are the other colors gonna be?

[dna316]

very nice dna, what are the other colors gonna be?

i dont think im gonna throw in any more colors. just stickers but will see.

[x18]

looking good thumbsup2

[dna316]

thnx 18. oh and hey i got your pm. since ill be doing my stickers here soon ill do another set for you. this time ill go to kinkos to ship them.

[dna316]

looking good thumbsup2

thanks 18. so you done with yours? well minus the stickers.thumb_down that blows man,, ill hook up another set for ya.

[dna316]

I wonder if i should paint the swingarm blackthinking_smilie, then the calipers painted yellow would jump out, oh and should i be buying a specific brand of of paint for the wheels and calipers?

[The Nutty Professor]

thats an idea, didnt think about the valve stem..thumbsup2. How accurate do you think it is??

Pretty stable. The first thing I looked at was the fact that most of the stem is metal. Try and bend the thing with you hand it's pretty stiff. Accuracy is get the wheel size right.

[x18]

thanks 18. so you done with yours? well minus the stickers.thumb_down that blows man,, ill hook up another set for ya.
well almost done i should be getting my paint in monday i have one more peice then im going to paint my wheels and the chrome covers on the engine because my clutch cover got scraped up from my encounter with the ground bluelaugh bluelaugh, and you should paint your calipers red and put a brembo sticker on it, and nutty how did you put the magnet on the valve does the position of the magnet change the accuracy bows_smilie

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

dna, i agree no more colors, i ment the remaining spots to be painted
id like to see:
the swing and lower forks black
the wheels and calipers yellow
or
blackout everything else

[125ccCrazy]

I wonder if i should paint the swingarm blackthinking_smilie, then the calipers painted yellow would jump out, oh and should i be buying a specific brand of of paint for the wheels and calipers?

If your just gonna paint the swingarm and not the whole frame I'l leave it or repaint it silver, maybe do it a plain silver like Dupli-Color's aluminum engine paint, gives it a somewhat apperance of alum... DP also has caliper paints which are designed for heat and to be somewhat fluid resistant, they have it in yellow too.....

The bike is looking good so far, nicely planned out....

You know what would look cool on it would be have a custom decal set made up with a Bee riding a bike, sorta like the old Super Bee logo on the Dodges.... Just my silly twocents worth...

[dna316]

dna, i agree no more colors, i ment the remaining spots to be painted
id like to see:
the swing and lower forks black
the wheels and calipers yellow
or
blackout everything else

thats exactly what i was thinking, just didnt know if it would be to much. yea thats what ill do black swingarm and rims with the lip polished and the calipers yellow. and im right now working on the stickers, i got thie templates i im just resizing them to fit the bike. and hey 125 it would be funny to do like the bee air freshener that was in bumble bee from the transformers, it read bee-och. lol

[The Nutty Professor]

well almost done i should be getting my paint in monday i have one more peice then im going to paint my wheels and the chrome covers on the engine because my clutch cover got scraped up from my encounter with the ground , and you should paint your calipers red and put a brembo sticker on it, and nutty how did you put the magnet on the valve does the position of the magnet change the accuracy

The part holding the magnet is made out of brass. It's a valve stem cover with a valve stem removal tool on the other end. I drilled out the center rear of the magnet holder, where the threads are, and glued the stem removal part to the back. Then screwed it onto the valve stem and the rest you can see. That took a whole lot of staring and head scratchin' and part diggin before I figured it out. The thing to remember is I had just parked at the grocery store and opened the door to the car. I stepped on something and when I looked down at it it was 2 brass valve stem removers? Why were they there dunno I started to walk of then went back and picked them up. Within 3 days I think I was using them for this. Down side if you get like me it can damn near lead to divorce if you're married bluelaughbluelaugh

[dna316]

The part holding the magnet is made out of brass. It's a valve stem cover with a valve stem removal tool on the other end. I drilled out the center rear of the magnet holder, where the threads are, and glued the stem removal part to the back. Then screwed it onto the valve stem and the rest you can see. That took a whole lot of staring and head scratchin' and part diggin before I figured it out. The thing to remember is I had just parked at the grocery store and opened the door to the car. I stepped on something and when I looked down at it it was 2 brass valve stem removers? Why were they there dunno I started to walk of then went back and picked them up. Within 3 days I think I was using them for this. Down side if you get like me it can damn near lead to divorce if you're married bluelaughbluelaugh

Lmao, yup nutty im there to. lol hey one question for ya. have you fine tuned the speedo, is it accurate some what, and what mm did you input for the tire size given the position of the magnet?

[dna316]

Daaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnnniiiiitttttangry_red. my ****ing refrigerator took a nose dive this weekend. shit man i had almost all the money saved up to get that 150 gpx that ashar got. damnit why does life hate me so muchbanghead. damnit damnit damnit. every time it doesnt failNutty-Rant.

[x18]

that sucks dna, and nutty i borrowed your idea just waitng for the glue to dry i found a cap like you used and "borrowed" that as well

[dna316]

Ok guys i need your input:). what lettering should i use for the yoshimura sticker? the first pic is whats on my mini gsxr 50cc rep.

[dna316]

or these?

[dna316]

let me know asap, i started to print out my stickers just need this lettering.

[Niusiic[latvia]]

5 and 6 looks soo sexy. lol
Thats what I thinkin`!

[x18]

i think the 5th one is the best but the 1st dont look bad just my twocents

[dna316]

yea i think i like 5 in leui of the lettering in the first pic.

[r32rider]

i like pic 5. i have always liked the cane style letterring.

[The Nutty Professor]

Something about the OEM style says I'm for real but that's just me. I like the one's you used on your mini.

[dna316]

Something about the OEM style says I'm for real but that's just me. I like the one's you used on your mini.

I agree, I do like the way that original lettering looks. I also like the lettering in the 5th pic, maybe ill do the suzuki in that letteringdunno

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i have some of those fonts too
id stick with the original or change everything to match
match is the key here

[dna316]

i have some of those fonts too
id stick with the original or change everything to match
match is the key here


yea i think im gonna keep the yoshimura as is in pic 1 and change all the suzuki to the lettering in the last pic. will see. i can always change them up

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

dam now that i think about it, i have 3-4 fonts on my bike
and languages, oh well as long as it looks nice bluelaugh

[dna316]

dam now that i think about it, i have 3-4 fonts on my bike
and languages, oh well as long as it looks nice bluelaugh

lmao. man i just like that lettering in the last pic. all samurai like. rock2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i agree, and its a jap bike (suzi) so it fits the theme

[dna316]

i agree, and its a jap bike (suzi) so it fits the theme

yea see thats what i was thinking. and i got a few different styles of those letters so i can allways try another. but i think that one looks coo.

[dna316]

ill throw up some pics here shortly, its just that my sons been keeping me busy but its just about good night time for him, lol so i can finaly finish them.

[Ghost Rider]

I would stick to the originals...Looks simple and more like a real bike. But just my twocents

[dna316]

K here's a few of the pics of the stickerscool_smilie, still got more to put on tommorow.rolleye0010

[Niusiic[latvia]]

Niceee!thumbsup2

[dna316]

;25111']Niceee!thumbsup2

thanks bro. I got a few more stickers to make up and throw on. and i want to move on to the painting of the rims and the calipers now. will see.

[dna316]

hey anyone seen these or used these. im not sure about the integrity of the extension but its made for a dirt bike so i guess its gotta be safe right. I was thinking i could buy the materials and pull apart my swingarm and take all the dimensions down and machine my own. what do you guys think?

[dna316]

they claim its made out of 6061-t6 aluminium and i use that at work all the time, then i looked at mcmaster-carr and the list all the different grades and their yield strenghts and all that and by what i have read so far 7075 seems stronger?????? any input would be greatly apreciated.

[dna316]

oops forgot to post the link here its is
http://www.ridebold.com/swingarm_kit50.htm

[125ccCrazy]

never seen one before but I spose it will work ok... The only thing is that you will have to relocate the shock mount or get a longer shock..

[dna316]

thats what i was thinking to. i dont want like the website says it raises your ride height so ill have to make some adjustments and i wonder if i can make it a bit longer than just 2 or 3 inches?

[Niusiic[latvia]]

thanks bro. I got a few more stickers to make up and throw on. and i want to move on to the painting of the rims and the calipers now. will see.

keep posting!

[125ccCrazy]

thats what i was thinking to. i dont want like the website says it raises your ride height so ill have to make some adjustments and i wonder if i can make it a bit longer than just 2 or 3 inches?

I dont see how it will raise the bike, the shock mount will be further back which will require the swingram to be pulled up so the shock will mount back up..It will lower the bike drastically.... If your trying to extend the swingarm just stretch the swingarm itself....It would be safer imo......

[dna316]

I dont see how it will raise the bike, the shock mount will be further back which will require the swingram to be pulled up so the shock will mount back up..It will lower the bike drastically.... If your trying to extend the swingarm just stretch the swingarm itself....It would be safer imo......

sweet. thanks man so ill just have to take my time with the design and measure and remeasure. and like you said ill need to look for another shock, what sites should i be looking at. that have shocks that will bolt right up to the 18 shock mounts without having to modify the existing mounts?

[125ccCrazy]

sweet. thanks man so ill just have to take my time with the design and measure and remeasure. and like you said ill need to look for another shock, what sites should i be looking at. that have shocks that will bolt right up to the 18 shock mounts without having to modify the existing mounts?


well if you extend the rear of the swingarm you can run the stock shock but the bike will set higher and the swingarm will be on more of an angl being it's longer...


Here is my set up on the x12, same swingarm as the x18

[dna316]

nice work man. im going to go and take a welding class man. i would have this done by now, the thing is that since i dont know how to weld, im trying to make it work without welding. im just going to suck it up and pay to take the classes. your work makes ppl want to try to measure up to ya lol. thnk for the pics man, again nice welds.

[dna316]

where can i even go to start looking into taking classes?

[125ccCrazy]

nice work man. im going to go and take a welding class man. i would have this done by now, the thing is that since i dont know how to weld, im trying to make it work without welding. im just going to suck it up and pay to take the classes. your work makes ppl want to try to measure up to ya lol. thnk for the pics man, again nice welds.

Thanks for the compliment...I taught myself by trial and error. Get yourself a nice mig welder, some scrap metal and start practicing... I'm no pro by any means but I can stick things together LOL...

where can i even go to start looking into taking classes?


I'd try looking up local community colleges, some high schools offer night classes...

[dna316]

Thanks for the compliment...I taught myself by trial and error. Get yourself a nice mig welder, some scrap metal and start practicing... I'm no pro by any means but I can stick things together LOL...




I'd try looking up local community colleges, some high schools offer night
classes...


see thats the best way i learn. i had never used a mill or lathe before or autocad, and in the last 4 months or so that i have been at this new job, i prety much tought myself house to use all of the above. well with a bit of healp of corse but prety much just trial and error. and its not like i want to do it for my job i just want to know that i know and use it at home. how about the mig welders from say like harbour freight, any good?

[125ccCrazy]

see thats the best way i learn. i had never used a mill or lathe before or autocad, and in the last 4 months or so that i have been at this new job, i prety much tought myself house to use all of the above. well with a bit of healp of corse but prety much just trial and error. and its not like i want to do it for my job i just want to know that i know and use it at home. how about the mig welders from say like harbour freight, any good?


The HF welders are not to good, my Dad had a couple and they never did work right so he took them back and bought a Lincoln welder..

I have a Clarke 100E that I bought in 92 and it still works pretty good... One of these days I want a new one.....

[dna316]

The HF welders are not to good, my Dad had a couple and they never did work right so he took them back and bought a Lincoln welder..

I have a Clarke 100E that I bought in 92 and it still works pretty good... One of these days I want a new one.....

yea i thought so. i wonder if ebay would be a place to look for one. im just a bit sceptical about ebay sometimes, if the exuipment is malfunctioning you cant tell till you get it and try it. ill do some searching, and if you happen to come accross anything plz gimme a hollar. and thanks again for the infobows_smilie. much apreciated

[The Nutty Professor]

Dna I got a Harbour Freight Mig Welder and it's OK. The funny thing is it welds cheap Chinese steel great. Put in some quality steel and you've got booger's everywhere (Weld splatter). I found that using Lincoln gasless wire makes a little better weld. I wish I'd gotten a bottled Mig instead. The Harbour Freight was a X-Mas gift and it was my first one. Gas makes a lot better weld in my opinion.

[Supercharged]

Dna I got a Harbour Freight Mig Welder and it's OK. The funny thing is it welds cheap Chinese steel great. Put in some quality steel and you've got booger's everywhere (Weld splatter). I found that using Lincoln gasless wire makes a little better weld. I wish I'd gotten a bottled Mig instead. The Harbour Freight was a X-Mas gift and it was my first one. Gas makes a lot better weld in my opinion.

cant beat harbor freight, how much was that welder professor?

80 chucks or something around that

[125ccCrazy]

Dna I got a Harbour Freight Mig Welder and it's OK. The funny thing is it welds cheap Chinese steel great. Put in some quality steel and you've got booger's everywhere (Weld splatter). I found that using Lincoln gasless wire makes a little better weld. I wish I'd gotten a bottled Mig instead. The Harbour Freight was a X-Mas gift and it was my first one. Gas makes a lot better weld in my opinion.

the ones my Dad bought would pulsate like the wire would speed up and slow down, never did work right...

I tried a gasless for my 1st mig, I didn't like it at all so it went back and I got the gas version... you can get migs that go both ways
(ok not like it sounds wave_finger), the one I have now is strictly gas.....

I suggest staying with brand names if possible....

If I had know you needed one my wife's cousin sold a Cambell Housfield last week in thier estate sale for $60... banghead, guess I should have bought it and just kept it til someone needed one like you do now..dunno

[125ccCrazy]

DNA,

do you make the vinyl graphics for anyone else??.... I'm gonna need some for my projects...

Ducatti 999 and Benelli Tornado, wouldnt mind getting some ninja decals for my son's cat also...

LMK

[dna316]

the ones my Dad bought would pulsate like the wire would speed up and slow down, never did work right...

I tried a gasless for my 1st mig, I didn't like it at all so it went back and I got the gas version... you can get migs that go both ways
(ok not like it sounds wave_finger), the one I have now is strictly gas.....

I suggest staying with brand names if possible....

If I had know you needed one my wife's cousin sold a Cambell Housfield last week in thier estate sale for $60... banghead, guess I should have bought it and just kept it til someone needed one like you do now..dunno

darn. yea that would have been awesome. well thanks for the thought. man i went on ebay for a min and damn those things can get expensive. ok so whats the different types of welders. tig, mig, arc.... and whats the difference? and the gas one just introduces gas at the welding point to burn up the oxigen for a more solid weld?

[dna316]

DNA,

do you make the vinyl graphics for anyone else??.... I'm gonna need some for my projects...

Ducatti 999 and Benelli Tornado, wouldnt mind getting some ninja decals for my son's cat also...

LMK

sure bro. throw up some pics all the ones you want and lenght and width and ill hook them up. gotta see them first

[The Nutty Professor]

Rated in order of quality (Correct me if I'm 125ccc) Tig, Mig, Arc. And the price follows them. Tig's are damn expensive. A plasma cutter is also on the menu bows_smilie

[dna316]

Rated in order of quality (Correct me if I'm 125ccc) Tig, Mig, Arc. And the price follows them. Tig's are damn expensive. A plasma cutter is also on the menu bows_smilie


some guy on craigs just emailed me back........
lincoln electric. 120v wire feed welder with HUGE spool of wire, and
helmets. 6 months old, used twice.
thats what hes got and is willing to sell it for 175.
is that a good deal?

[The Nutty Professor]

Sounds like one to me what model?

[Shooter]

What model is it?
There are different kinds and they all look alot alike so you want to make sure he isn't trying to sell you the cheaper one for more money than its worth.
Find out the model and then do your research (google)

[Shooter]

Damn Nutt!
Get outta my head!

[The Nutty Professor]

You first speechless33 I was going to say google it but didn't speechless33

[Shooter]

great minds think alike I guess

[The Nutty Professor]

I don't know if it's great or just whacked bluelaugh Back to the garage.

[125ccCrazy]

sure bro. throw up some pics all the ones you want and lenght and width and ill hook them up. gotta see them first


Cool I'll have to look for some good ones to copy from. that will be awesome..
Rated in order of quality (Correct me if I'm 125ccc) Tig, Mig, Arc. And the price follows them. Tig's are damn expensive. A plasma cutter is also on the menu bows_smilie


well tigs are awesome for sure, migs are not as good as a tig but can make really nice welds when you learn how to use it

Arc welder is a totally diferent animal, no comparison...

[dna316]

Thanks guys for all your input you guys are the reason i stayed with midbikenation. im giving you all rep. and heres a few more pics with more stickers on.

[rene13]

I like the way your bike looks.thumbsup2 Those decals:phat:

[dna316]

thnx rene. i was thinking hard on how to make the entire theme flow, thanks to blitz

[dna316]

oh and of corse i still need to throw on a few midbikenation.com stickers...... represent baby baby. lol

[X-18_Banshee]

Thats a sweet looking bike thumbsup2 , what do you charge for decals???

[dna316]

thanks banshee. well on the decals it depends what size and how many colors. but i try to make it cheaper than anyon else, just send me pics of what you want and what colors you want them in and ill do my best

[x18]

nice i love that 110r sticker, the yoshimura sticker blends in too much dunno

[ashar014]

thanks banshee. well on the decals it depends what size and how many colors. but i try to make it cheaper than anyon else, just send me pics of what you want and what colors you want them in and ill do my best

did u ever get the design i wanted?

i have the money now and am ready to buy.

can u make it 5x5 inch white?, let me know the price, paypal?

[Niusiic[latvia]]

man, looks sexybluelaugh

[X-18_Banshee]

Hey dna, what brand vinyl cutter you use??.. reason I ask is cause I was a pressman for 7 years and have done all sorts of printing and design..

[dna316]

nice i love that 110r sticker, the yoshimura sticker blends in too much dunno

your right i was going to do black but then it would have blended in the black portion. maybe ill try white.dunno

[dna316]

;25242']man, looks sexybluelaugh

thanks bro im trying, to make her as nice and clean as posible, will see what she looks like after the rims and calipers are done.thumbsup2

[dna316]

Hey dna, what brand vinyl cutter you use??.. reason I ask is cause I was a pressman for 7 years and have done all sorts of printing and design..


oh man this is just a cheap little 10'' cutter printer that my brother and i bought off of ebay, its the stika 1200 or something like that. and the problem i have with it is, i can only cut designs in individual colors and then peel them off and stick them together, what i really want is a printer that sprays the color onto the vinyl this way i can mesh colors and stuff. but for now what i got gets the job done.

[dna316]

125cc this is what I threw together for a different setup.

hey nutty heres what i came up with.

[dna316]

i just noticed those pics look like garbage, sorry guys im at work and only have my phone to take pics with. they also got posted out of order, oh well. when i get home ill snap good pics

[dna316]

k so the pics go from the bottom up, thats wierd.

[dna316]

Hey dna, what brand vinyl cutter you use??.. reason I ask is cause I was a pressman for 7 years and have done all sorts of printing and design..

actulaly banshee its called a roland x12 cutter... the dr stika is the program im using.

[The Nutty Professor]

Dna there's the right way. Which is how you did it and then there's the Nutt way which might or might not work bluelaugh Usually NOT but it's fun trying.

[dna316]

lol. well we gotta try all kindsa diferent stuff its in our blood. lol anyway i made the inner hole that will screw onto the valve stem way long just cause the instructions of the speedo says there should be no more than .5 mm distance between the sensor and the magnet. so i can install the adapter piece i made and if its to long then i can cut it a bit shorter... one can take off but not add. lol you know. anyways i made this prototype outta plastic just to get all the measurements down, then i can spin a piece of aluminium and make it exact. one thing i found out....useless knowledge, the valve stem on our bikes is 5/16 x 32 threads. its not a comunly used thread size so i ordered the tap at work, i love this corporate credit card lol. actualy the engineer here agreed with me and sayd we should order it just to have. hell yearock2

[dna316]

K so i got it mounted, now i took some measurements and i have to wait till i get to work so i can make some adjustment cuts on it and i should be set. then i can make it out of aluminum.

[dna316]

k so it needs 5mm or .02'' max distance between the sensor and the magnet. all i have to do is shorten my adapter piece.rock2

[dna316]

Allso i got this real cheap pair of mirrors off ebay, the colors matched so i picked up two. the problem is that their so cheap when i recieved them i unpackaged them, and when i tried to flex them into a little bend, the damn mounting piece broke.angry_red

[Supercharged]

those look cheap, MO

[dna316]

oh yea super, they where like 5 bucks. they are for bicycles and when i got them it was obvious they had been sitting in a warehouse somewhere for a long time. lol but i figured im out 10 bucks whatever. i really want the ducati carbon fiber ones. i seen a pair for like 50 with the turn signals already built in. these are just for now. anyways i was able to make another mounting piece. ill post pics later but this is what one looks like mounted with my little mounting spacer thing.

[dna316]

i made them out of black round plastic stock. and i was going to make it out of aluminum but the plastic is much smoother on the fairings.

[swheels]

SHe's lookin GOOD!

I keep tellin myself that i'm gonna make the 2007 gixxer fairings and i keep dreamin about it.....I finally came to the conclusion that i ain't gonna do it.LOL I had it all planned out in my head too.thinking_smilie

[dna316]

Make them? like from scratch, molding the pieces or what.

[swheels]

Make them? like from scratch, molding the pieces or what.I was gonna make them from scratch using fiber glass.Well actually i was gonna use foam to make the fairings then fiber glass it.Then use a solvent to dissolve the foam so there would be just the glass leftover.

[Supercharged]

^^^^you have experience in this im taking it...

[dna316]

I was gonna make them from scratch using fiber glass.Well actually i was gonna use foam to make the fairings then fiber glass it.Then use a solvent to dissolve the foam so there would be just the glass leftover.

dude that would be totaly sick. but yea thats a lot of time and effort, then again you can say i got custom plasticsthumbsup2.

[Supercharged]

dude that would be totaly sick. but yea thats a lot of time and effort, then again you can say i got custom plasticsthumbsup2.

it would be totally worth it

[dna316]

hell yea then imagine if he could make a sort of mold for it and then sell them.

[dna316]

just another pic i got with the helmet. i went for a ride and got the helmet out so i figured let me take a pic.

[Supercharged]

nice bike, wish i had the plastics on, i miss everythinbg being bolted down


purrdy bike dna

[r32rider]

see everyone wanta to say that uyou cant get a good paint job from a rattle can. well this is my proof that you can. beautiful job man. keep up the good wirk.

[Supercharged]

well i wasnt implying the paint itself, i was just saying nice bike compared to mine LOL

[dna316]

see everyone wanta to say that uyou cant get a good paint job from a rattle can. well this is my proof that you can. beautiful job man. keep up the good wirk.

thanks bro. i really took my time on this one. and im hoping when i get my wife her bike i can do it up badazz to. will see. thanks again

[dna316]

well i wasnt implying the paint itself, i was just saying nice bike compared to mine LOL

hey super, yo think you gonna start up a paint project anytime soon.

[swheels]

just another pic i got with the helmet. i went for a ride and got the helmet out so i figured let me take a pic.That's SWEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dna316]

That's SWEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!


thanks s. when i pulled the helmet out, i was like damn the colors all matched and just looked nice as hell. thanks man. cant wait to start on the rims. it just sucks its getting cold here in co.

[rene13]

DNA have you looked at the lockhart phillips catalog for mirrors, they have alot that would fit our bikes and they priced pretty good. I had pair of these well different lenses. I just the electronics out so I cut a notch in the tubing to re angle them and welded them. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/suzuki-katana-GSX-600-750-black-Turn-signal-Mirrors-M36_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c39Q3a1 Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2e c0Q2em14QQhashZitem330278397783QQitemZ330278397783 and here are what they use to look like on my bike

[dna316]

DNA have you looked at the lockhart phillips catalog for mirrors, they have alot that would fit our bikes and they priced pretty good. I had pair of these well different lenses. I just the electronics out so I cut a notch in the tubing to re angle them and welded them. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/suzuki-katana-GSX-600-750-black-Turn-signal-Mirrors-M36_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c39Q3a1 Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2e c0Q2em14QQhashZitem330278397783QQitemZ330278397783 and here are what they use to look like on my bike


sweeeet. thanks rene thats a good price right there. im gonna order a set this friday when i get paid. bro thanks, I been searching everywhere and just couldnt find anything that was in a fair price range. these will work just fine. oh hey question. do they vibrate out of position or are they tight and they stay in the position you adjust them to? cause the front end vibrates pretty good on these bikes. and i got some metal hollow tubes im gonna bend into place and bolt on from the top two screws of the windshield down to the bolt that holds the tank.

[rene13]

sweeeet. thanks rene thats a good price right there. im gonna order a set this friday when i get paid. bro thanks, I been searching everywhere and just couldnt find anything that was in a fair price range. these will work just fine. oh hey question. do they vibrate out of position or are they tight and they stay in the position you adjust them to? cause the front end vibrates pretty good on these bikes. and i got some metal hollow tubes im gonna bend into place and bolt on from the top two screws of the windshield down to the bolt that holds the tank.

And the answer to that is no, they did not vibrate out of place; however did vibrate especially where they were mounted. This is my twocents you can fix the vibration problem by getting a (can't remember which one has it) front cowl windshield bracket off of one of the earlier X bikes I wanna say X-8 and cut and reweld it for support. I have one that I haven't quite gotten to do to my bike. I have been to busy riding and have fun with my bike before the riding season is gone here.

Lockhart Phillips has some more mirrors that would work probably with less modding. I did it to these mirrors cause of where I was mounting them.

[dna316]

And the answer to that is no, they did not vibrate out of place; however did vibrate especially where they were mounted. This is my twocents you can fix the vibration problem by getting a (can't remember which one has it) front cowl windshield bracket off of one of the earlier X bikes I wanna say X-8 and cut and reweld it for support. I have one that I haven't quite gotten to do to my bike. I have been to busy riding and have fun with my bike before the riding season is gone here.

Lockhart Phillips has some more mirrors that would work probably with less modding. I did it to these mirrors cause of where I was mounting them.

sweet bro thanks. oh and i know what your saying about getting as much riding in while you can. its starting to get cold here in co. so when its a bit sunny out, im riding. lol ill try to throw some brackets together and take pics. hey maybe during the cold season, you can get to modding that brace for yours and let me know how it went together, some pics to. and thanks again rene.

[Supercharged]

hey super, yo think you gonna start up a paint project anytime soon.

hecks ya homie, as soon as i figure this money situation outbanghead

[dna316]

hecks ya homie, as soon as i figure this money situation outbanghead

i gocha bro, im in the same boat. thats why im trying to find things cheap. but as you saw with the mirrors, it doesnt allways work out for you getting cheap stuff.

[Supercharged]

yes sir, and for my paint were going real car automotive paint...using the right tools and whatnot also

i got a buddy that is bound to paint cars for a living, he is probobly going to paint it...i would but i have no experience with this stuff

but hey sometimes cheap shit is the best

[r32rider]

yeah i was so anxious to paint my 15 candy but i ended up selling her for a 4 wheeler. i will get another one of these days. they are too fun.


thanks bro. i really took my time on this one. and im hoping when i get my wife her bike i can do it up badazz to. will see. thanks again

[dna316]

yeah i was so anxious to paint my 15 candy but i ended up selling her for a 4 wheeler. i will get another one of these days. they are too fun.

oooowww, what 4wheeler did you get? my brother got a banshee 350. man what a beast.

[dna316]

woohoo. so i got my 24mm mikuni inrock2 thanks to newb503 and will be polishing the head since ill be taking off the old carb and replacing it, i might as well tare down the head and get to work on thatthinking_smilie with the help of 125 hopefullyrolleye0010 and anyone else thats got pics or suggestions or how to's. all help welcome. lolthumbsup2

[r32rider]

got the new honda 450r. i have already raced a stock banshee and kawasaki750. walked the banshee by like 3 lenghts and the kawa was a what what race.

[dna316]

got the new honda 450r. i have already raced a stock banshee and kawasaki750. walked the banshee by like 3 lenghts and the kawa was a what what race.


nice. yea i seen yamaha came out with the raptor as the replacement for the banshee but those 450's kick for sure.

[dna316]

sweeeeet. i got my swingarm in today at work, thanks to damann33. i cant wait to get to taking some measurements and hacking it up so i can extend it. im going to see if the guys at work can bring in the welder and i can practice. my boss allso said he would like to practice welding and stuff so im thinking ill get some regular old 1/8th inch pipe and bring it to work and practice. for now ill probably just get some pipe and cut it all to the lenght i want''probably 6'' and bend it, then take it accross the street to a shop and pay them to weld it up for me. woohoo im stoked.

[dna316]

ok dumb question i bet. is there a trick to getting the bearings out of the swingarm?

[dna316]

oh hey and when buying the pipe to add to the swingarm, is there a specific kind i should be looking for or is emt conduit fine? i measured the tubing and it seems like 1-1/4 round stock and like .060 thick but i just wanted to make sure i bought the right material. any help is great. thanks guys

[rene13]

ok dumb question i bet. is there a trick to getting the bearings out of the swingarm?

Use the bolt that goes through the swingarm and stick it in about almost all they way right before it make it out the other side angle it so that it catches the inner lip of the bearing and tap it with a hammer. It might take a couple of times or just once.

The material on my swingarm is pretty thick don't know what size it is. Once you get your material use a vise to oval it out a little so it would be easier to match up the stock material (just the ends) unless you can find it like that our you can have the stock rolled to oval it.twocents

How much stretch are you going for? Make sure it is strong enough to carry the weight.

[dna316]

ok i was going to pop the bearings out that way, i just wanted to make sure i was right. with the swingarm i can bend the stock myself, i just wanted to make sure that their wasnt a specific type or grade of material i should be looking for. im 130lb on a good day lol so im not to worried about weight, however with moving the tire back a good 5'' or so, i was a bit concerned about any new stress points that might be created, does that make sense. also looking at your bike with the stretched swinger, i can leave the shock mount were it is right, so i just need to get a stronger spring or an entirely new shock?

[rene13]

ok i was going to pop the bearings out that way, i just wanted to make sure i was right. with the swingarm i can bend the stock myself, i just wanted to make sure that their wasnt a specific type or grade of material i should be looking for. im 130lb on a good day lol so im not to worried about weight, however with moving the tire back a good 5'' or so, i was a bit concerned about any new stress points that might be created, does that make sense. also looking at your bike with the stretched swinger, i can leave the shock mount were it is right, so i just need to get a stronger spring or an entirely new shock?


Yes you could leave it there. I had the 2nd put on so I could drop the rear down some cause she sat high. now I could run a longer shock and still sit low. Your turning radius will change. I noticed that when I ahd my stock tires I had to make wide turns cause if I leaned to much the front of the bike would want to tuck under. Now with the pirelli's I can turn very sharp turns.

[dna316]

gocha. yea im mainly just cruisin so im not to worried about sharp turns at least not at the moment. sweet man thanks for the input. i got those bearings out and im gonna start working on choping up the swinger tomorrow. hopefully everything goes smooth.

[The Nutty Professor]

NO NO wave_finger conduit is a seamed pipe. It's also very thin walled that won't work. What the exact grade metal and thickness you need I dunno but I believe 125cc can answer that he's the stretch king. If I ever need one do I'm shipping it to him if he'll agree to do it. I think figuring out what you need is kind of hard to get right and that's why 125cc builds from scratch using all the same materials.

[dna316]

NO NO wave_finger conduit is a seamed pipe. It's also very thin walled that won't work. What the exact grade metal and thickness you need I dunno but I believe 125cc can answer that he's the stretch king. If I ever need one do I'm shipping it to him if he'll agree to do it. I think figuring out what you need is kind of hard to get right and that's why 125cc builds from scratch using all the same materials.

Ha! i thought so. thanks nutty. see im not sure about what to use as far as stock cause there is so much stuff out there, emt, ent, rmc, rnc, grc, imc, and so on. im gonna check with the stretch king first and see what he thinks.
thanks bro

[dna316]

im trying to put up some charts but i can upload a .doc im going to try to save in a jpg format will see

[dna316]

im trying to put up some charts but i can upload a .doc im going to try to save in a jpg format will see

k heres one of the three i got.