Race Potential

[Midbike Racer]

What midbike has the best racing potential in your opinion and why?
If you feel it is one that I did not list... let us know!

[swheels]

Well think all the bike has the potienal.I chose the x18 strictly because of the ride height.I knew it was easier to lower a bike than to try and raise it.Although i got an x15/19 ready to be built into a mid moto gp bike.WHich has been put on hold i've been lookin at a lot of different race classes and there seems to be only one track that i could race a bike with a watercooled 250cc 2stroker.Any other track... well V.I.R. track won't allow it and the highest they go for a 4stroker is 150cc.

[redryderaus]

I can't vote as I don't have access to any decent midbikes. But if I did I'd be looking primarily at frame design/strength/weight as I'd be pulling the 110 motor out without even starting it. Of course, thanks to the laws introduced in this country, I can't even buy any of them. D&*n government do-gooders! banghead

Cheers,

red

[swanni06]

I can't vote as I don't have access to any decent midbikes. But if I did I'd be looking primarily at frame design/strength/weight as I'd be pulling the 110 motor out without even starting it. Of course, thanks to the laws introduced in this country, I can't even buy any of them. D&*n government do-gooders! banghead

Cheers,

red
why can`t you?that sucks man.lol you could order it in pieces;)

[kevin@holeshotz]

Well think all the bike has the potienal.I chose the x18 strictly because of the ride height.I knew it was easier to lower a bike than to try and raise it.Although i got an x15/19 ready to be built into a mid moto gp bike.WHich has been put on hold i've been lookin at a lot of different race classes and there seems to be only one track that i could race a bike with a watercooled 250cc 2stroker.Any other track... well V.I.R. track won't allow it and the highest they go for a 4stroker is 150cc.

There will be classes for bikes up to 525, so bring all you got.

[redryderaus]

why can`t you?that sucks man.lol you could order it in pieces;)

Because no one sells them here in Oz. People bought them, rode them on public roads, got hit by cars and seriously injured or (in one case) killed, the government legislated them out of existence. Simple, really. And the blokes here wonder why I'm so against riding these midbikes on public roads (apart from the safety aspect).

red

[The Nutty Professor]

Red they can't be sold as off-road only? Or is the profit so small that not one wants to mess with them?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

im voting x15 because what it really comes down to is the frame like red said
and when its a choice of frames the answer is the strongest frame
and the 15s frame is nice, so i imagine that the 19s frame is similar

[x18runer]

I didnt know pocket bikes were illegal in some countrys thats sucks:confused:

[Midbike Racer]

There will be classes for bikes up to 525, so bring all you got.
Is there a website to get info on this event?
pimp11

[swanni06]

I didnt know pocket bikes were illegal in some countrys thats sucks:confused:

here in canada they are illegal to ride on the street,700 dollar fine and your bike taken.but you can ride a pocket bike on a track.Mid bikes CAN be tagged here but they have to be outfitted with proper motorcycle road items like mirrors etc. But every town is different and state.

[swheels]

There will be classes for bikes up to 525, so bring all you got.That 250cc wont be ready for awhile now.This race is gonna be more for fun and R.D.Thats not to say i'm not gonna kick you guys butts if given the chance.LOL

Because no one sells them here in Oz. People bought them, rode them on public roads, got hit by cars and seriously injured or (in one case) killed, the government legislated them out of existence. Simple, really. And the blokes here wonder why I'm so against riding these midbikes on public roads (apart from the safety aspect).

redThat sucs especially knowing that all you want to do is be out on the track.I'm gonna try to see if i could find some vender that sells them in Aus.Im pretty sure you have been thorough in your search.A few more eyes couldn't hurt.I'm on the lookout for ya RED!chief_rocka

[x18runer]

$700 fine? Why not run!

[redryderaus]

Red they can't be sold as off-road only? Or is the profit so small that not one wants to mess with them?

Final off topic post (this has hijacked the thread enough :) ):

Basically the legislation made it so that not only did you cop a hefty fine if you are caught riding on public roads ($560), the police will confiscate your bike. You do not get it back! Of course, this meant that most people no longer bought them as they couldn't ride them around the streets any more.

They are legal to be sold for off-road (ie track) use, but because the race-only market is tiny here, it is no longer worth it to import and sell these bikes. Maybe if we can increase the market by making the midbikes worth racing, then someone will begin importing them again.

Cheers,

red

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

more peeps got the other bikes midbikes, yours is similar to the 15 so smile

[The Nutty Professor]

Final off topic post (this has hijacked the thread enough :) ):

Basically the legislation made it so that not only did you cop a hefty fine if you are caught riding on public roads ($560), the police will confiscate your bike. You do not get it back! Of course, this meant that most people no longer bought them as they couldn't ride them around the streets any more.

They are legal to be sold for off-road (ie track) use, but because the race-only market is tiny here, it is no longer worth it to import and sell these bikes. Maybe if we can increase the market by making the midbikes worth racing, then someone will begin importing them again.

Cheers,

red

They call me Nutty...Red race prepped Mid's turnkey "Red's Roadrace Emporium" nice ring to it I think. Buy a Mid Bike that will stomp the crap out of a Tard. It will "Git Er Done"! Open your own Mid speed shop. I know easier said than done.

[Midbike Racer]

So the x18 & x15 are dominating the poll.
Who voted the x22?
I wanted to vote x19 but I knew I would be lying.blahgreen

[mishka]

x15!!,
frame is better, stronger, body is wider so u can kinda hug it
with your legs and have better control in the corners.

[The Nutty Professor]

So the x18 & x15 are dominating the poll.
Who voted the x22?
I wanted to vote x19 but I knew I would be lying.blahgreen

Take one guess on the X22 cool_shades.

[Midbike Racer]

Take one guess on the X22 cool_shades.
You are loyal to your midbike.thumbsup2
I was not to mine...thumb_down

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

x1,x7,cateye ....please
the 15 and 18 are popular cuz thats what folks got
the 18 has the appeal of being the tallest mid and the narrowest too i think
the 15 is more soild feeling and easier on the butt bone
the x22 is for glenn only if he ever gets it
all the bikes are unraceable in stock form, you have to do some improvements, you can go pretty far too

[mishka]

and there all tied up!!!hangloose

[Midbike Racer]

9-9 between the 18 & 15...
popcorn_smilie

[The Nutty Professor]

x1,x7,cateye ....please
the 15 and 18 are popular cuz thats what folks got
the 18 has the appeal of being the tallest mid and the narrowest too i think
the 15 is more soild feeling and easier on the butt bone
the x22 is for glenn only if he ever gets it
all the bikes are unraceable in stock form, you have to do some improvements, you can go pretty far too

Hey Blitz that one stung moon1 . Working 60 hour weeks to get the damn thing popcorn_smilie.

[swheels]

If i didn't improve on my x18 so much.The X7 is a great bike to race.The only thing i've done to minds was put a custom exhaust then put on the x1 wheels.In the lot me and my buddy use to ride in i would clean his clock.He was on an X18 he'd pull on me like crazy on the straights but i owned the turns.In fact my x7 made him retire.I decided to go with the 4t's because they had more upgrades for the motor plus being able to put in straight gas did it for me.Besides since i took the fairing off my x7 to put on the x18.The x7 has been reincarnated.X18 X7 same chassis.

[X7rocks]

i chose the x18 over the x19/15
the frame is lighter and actually is stronger then the x15s since ive ben seeing more broken rear swingarms on a x15 then a x18 along with some frames being bent and cracked

plus the x15s rear suspension is waaay to jumpy to make decent cornering and sits a bit low
i think this bike might be better suited for straights
but thats just my opinion

plus prior to new x15's motor installs are more harder since they installed two bars practically infront of the engine
blitz you dont have this problem since you bought yours way before this happend

[swheels]

I think he cut his.Thats what i plan on doing when i get the chance to get started on it.

[The Nutty Professor]

I think he cut his.Thats what i plan on doing when i get the chance to get started on it.


Swheels before you cut make sure there's nothing you have to or want to attach there first. I was thinking they make a good starting point for attaching a oil cooler and fan or remote oil filter?

[swheels]

Swheels before you cut make sure there's nothing you have to or want to attach there first. I was thinking they make a good starting point for attaching a oil cooler and fan or remote oil filter?Yeah i looked at it a few times.That cradle is useless it didn't male sense for them to put that on.They should have worried more about the rear swingarm.

[The Nutty Professor]

Yeah i looked at it a few times.That cradle is useless it didn't male sense for them to put that on.They should have worried more about the rear swingarm.

OK doesn't brace anything? Does it have bodwork mounting points? I know that doesn't matter you can get around that I was just wondering what they were for?

[The Nutty Professor]

Order was placed today for the X22 cheers11 . I used http://www.olsonpowersports.net/i-pb-sls-035.html . Asked for blue but I'll take what they got. Nothing left but the waitin'.

[mishka]

congrats man! finally ur getting a bike!!!!!!rock2rock2rock2rock2

[swheels]

Order was placed today for the X22 cheers11 . I used http://www.olsonpowersports.net/i-pb-sls-035.html . Asked for blue but I'll take what they got. Nothing left but the waitin'.Alright drinks on me fellas!cheers11all you youngin's can have all the coolaid your heart desires.Thats great Np! I know you won't make it to V.I.R but we can setup something at the Black hills circuit.thumbsup2rock2

[redryderaus]

Order was placed today for the X22 cheers11 . I used http://www.olsonpowersports.net/i-pb-sls-035.html . Asked for blue but I'll take what they got. Nothing left but the waitin'.

Fantastic! Now the real work starts for you. You'll turn it into a killer midbike. cheers11

Cheers,

red

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

bluelaugh bluelaugh bluelaugh bluelaugh
yay! glenns getting a bike!
dude i know your stoked
i know in your mind its already torn apart and tweaked
x7 was right, i got my bike before they put the cradle in, its like 3 yrs old

[Midbike Racer]

Order was placed today for the X22 cheers11 . I used http://www.olsonpowersports.net/i-pb-sls-035.html . Asked for blue but I'll take what they got. Nothing left but the waitin'.
Congrats NP. Way to go.rock2
I look forward to watching the evolution of a stock x22 into your nutty creation!
thumbsup2

[The Nutty Professor]

I've been waiting so long I'm not sure were I want to begin. I do know I want to ride it for awhile before I start modifying. Got to know what's broke before I fix it. Poke12 I thinking forks, shock, and brakes in that order, but we'll see. I not counting changing every nut and bolt as a mod.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya change the oil and ride
fix what broke on that ride and ride again! cool_smilie

[swheels]

yep find a lot ride the crap out of it to find out what it can or cannot do.Then slowly improve on her that's what i've always enjoyed.The progression stages and knowing what you have done to get the bike in shape.I could see it now where out there riding,a whole lot of block passing and trying to protect that inside line.Hey NO brake checking!LOL I use to do that to my best friend when we'd race against each other.In the sections where i knew he was faster plus i knew i had better lowend.I would slow down more than i needed to.To kill his drive coming out of the turns so i could get way.Dirty pool.LOL

[The Nutty Professor]

yep find a lot ride the crap out of it to find out what it can or cannot do.Then slowly improve on her that's what i've always enjoyed.The progression stages and knowing what you have done to get the bike in shape.I could see it now where out there riding,a whole lot of block passing and trying to protect that inside line.Hey NO brake checking!LOL I use to do that to my best friend when we'd race against each other.In the sections where i knew he was faster plus i knew i had better lowend.I would slow down more than i needed to.To kill his drive coming out of the turns so i could get way.Dirty pool.LOL


Nay just winning boxing11 .

[snedz]

I recon I could kick the ass of all these midimotos on a go-cart track with my Blata Elite mini.boxing11

Plese Visit... (http://midbikenation.com/showthread.php?p=2028#post2028)

[swheels]

I recon I could kick the ass of all these midimotos on a go-cart track with my Blata Elite mini.boxing11

Plese Visit... (http://midbikenation.com/showthread.php?p=2028#post2028) I don't knowdunno Maybe a bone stock superbike.well you ride a 250 you know there is much more invovled when racing a shifter bike vs a non shifter.

[The Nutty Professor]

I recon I could kick the ass of all these midimotos on a go-cart track with my Blata Elite mini.boxing11

Plese Visit... (http://midbikenation.com/showthread.php?p=2028#post2028)

I think that would depend on the size of the track. A tight track possibly, but a track with a little length...don't think so. All things equal, lean angle, tires, it ain't in the cards. If it was MotoGp bikes would be left for dead but 250's. Just a friendly conversation guys cowboy Oh and I see another vote for the all conquering X22...OK maybe not all conquering but I can dream can't I?

[snedz]

whats the lean angle of one of those midi's? Cann they go further than a mini? I wouldnt think so... But I have never seen one racing like. Yep, I know what you mean about the track size. My favorit tracks are the twisty ones & Im always getting my leg scraping. Anyway, its just a bit of friendly banter to introduce myself...

I reeely want one of those midi's.

hangloose

[swanni06]

Swheels made a vid on youtube Where he is racing his buddy..he leans over pretty dang far IMO..

[swheels]

Swheels made a vid on youtube Where he is racing his buddy..he leans over pretty dang far IMO..Uh oh yeah i forgot about that one.HEHE

yeah you can lean the midbikes just as far.Remember the pocketbikes are much lower to the ground.So they might look like there leaning alot but there not.And pretty much the same lean angle as the mids and superbikes.The pocket bikes have a better selection of tires.That give them a real good egde.Just think if the mid/superbikes can get some quality slicks and that matches the same sizes as the stock tires.I think the pockbike seen will slowly vanish.A friend and i did manage to lap a 13hp polini watercooled pocketbike.We did it on a x1 and a x2 mabey 2 1/2hp.It wasn't on a official track but we spanked him silly.The layout we ran was huge plus i was more crazier back then.My motto was ride or die!Now i'm smarter old age.LOL

[The Nutty Professor]

I look at the lean angle like this. The bigger the bike the more lean angle you can achieve. If the tires and bike are to small your bodyparts get in the way of the bike. As the big is raised and the hard parts are higher your body gets in the way less and less. Example is the exhaust being tucked into the tail section to get it out of the equation. I can almost bet if you drew a line up the center of a PB and placed a rider on it and had him lean until his body won't allow anymore lean and did the same with a Mid you would see more lean angle with the Mid. Could the Mid handle it? Probably not at this point in it's development. The tires and suspension play a hugh role in mix when or if the things like extra lean angle can be used to go faster. twocents

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

my new tires have a much better lean availability than the lo pro stock
and a slightly higher ride height

[snedz]

Swheels made a vid on youtube Where he is racing his buddy..

Can one of you give me a link to this video cos I cant find it.dunno

But I have found a fiew midbike videos with knee down action.rock2

[swheels]

I think it might be this one i was on a stock x7 49cc 2stroker.
YouTube - my x7 and mollycbr on his x18
or mabey this one i don't know anymore.dunno
YouTube - X18 with modded stock front forks.

[swheels]

You know this just occured to me.Since theres going to be x12's,x15's and x18's racing at V.I.R. coming up.I guess will have to see which factory bike does what.Win races on sunday sell on monday.LOL The chinese superbike championship race.thumbsup2LOL To bad all the bikes are coming from the the same manufactures though.LOLOLOLspeechless33bluelaugh

[X7rocks]

You know this just occured to me.Since theres going to be x12's,x15's and x18's racing at V.I.R. coming up.I guess will have to see which factory bike does what.Win races on sunday sell on monday.LOL The chinese superbike championship race.thumbsup2LOL To bad all the bikes are coming from the the same manufactures though.LOLOLOLspeechless33bluelaugh

ill answer
doug with his X12
he got a nice setup from what i see is 141 with lifan big valve inner rotor kit 26mm carb with a kickass pipe
i gotta try to get a 26 carb and inner rotar kit

[swheels]

ill answer
doug with his X12
he got a nice setup from what i see is 141 with lifan big valve inner rotor kit 26mm carb with a kickass pipe
i gotta try to get a 26 carb and inner rotar kitI wouldn't put all my money on Doug if i was you.LOL A nice motor doesn't necessary garrantee a win in racing especially road course.besides i got something up my sleeve.I post somethings but not everything.thumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well i bet yours will be the best braking S
maybe best overall suspension for mids

[X7rocks]

ehh i saw doug in the straight me and him were almost egual but in cornering he hella got me

[swheels]

ehh i saw doug in the straight me and him were almost egual but in cornering he hella got meThe race is not in the straights it's the turns.If your would have gotten a good drive out of the turn going on to the straghts it would have been equal.Did you change your rear shock? if not then doug you should have been on the straights long before you got out of the turns.

[X7rocks]

The race is not in the straights it's the turns.If your would have gotten a good drive out of the turn going on to the straghts it would have been equal.Did you change your rear shock? if not then doug you should have been on the straights long before you got out of the turns.
naw i still got my stock stuff
im getting a 26mm carb soon and im gona check doug and ask for a stiffer rear shock

[The Nutty Professor]

naw i still got my stock stuff
im getting a 26mm carb soon and im gona check doug and ask for a stiffer rear shock

I might be wrong (Wouldn't be the first time) but couldn't you go bigger on the carby? Go big and jet down? Knowing you X7 you won't leave the motor alone and getting more air into a stroker is the best thing right? Just a thought. A rough calculation shows that you're very close if not right at running one 600cc cylinder. I was looking at the carbs on my FZR and idea_smilie Thinking about what kind of tech would transfer over once we got to a certain size motor. Carby's were the first thing that popped into my pea-brain. I may be stirthepot shizzle but hey that's what makes this so damn fun banghead

[swheels]

naw i still got my stock stuff
im getting a 26mm carb soon and im gona check doug and ask for a stiffer rear shockYeah Doug must have been playing with you then.Cause i know for a fact you can't take a high speed turn with the stock suspension.I tried real hard and just couldn't do it.I new the end results.you'd be lucky just to get a knee down.Change that shock or your gonna have people going by your 146cc like it was a 50cc. BIg difference.thumbsup2

[Midbike Racer]

There is a lotta new members.
What do ya'll think?
cowboy

[The Nutty Professor]

Either a lot of bike have been sold or a lot will be. thumbsup2 rock2 thumbsup2 rock2

[Midbike Racer]

Way more members than votes...
What do you all think?
Especially after V.I.R.
rock2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i still like my 15 and its potential
it performed well under race conditions
even a small wreck, i had to bend my shifter out some
no biggie
the x12s were in force
but the 15 of jag's won the day, course he also had the most skill

[Midbike Racer]

but the 15 of jag's won the day, course he also had the most skill
Skill + a good ride = machineguncompetition

[swheels]

I can honestly say that's a tough one everybody ran great.But anybody that has those three spoked rims.Throw them away they break if you look at them hard enough.The guy the crashed in front of me his front wheel broke.speechless33That's not what caused the crash but they broke during the crash.thumb_down those rims are commonly none to come on the x12's.

[Pinto93]

The cateye is on the pole but not the X12???

[Midbike Racer]

The cateye is on the pole but not the X12???
Sorry Pinto...
Like I said on the 1st thread, if there is one I missed and feel it should be up there or get a vote... let us know.
I just listed some of them. My bad.
I will try and see if I can add it to the poll for you.
rock2

[Pinto93]

Thats cool man. I really dont know if I'd vote for the X12 I was just wondering... Tell u the truth guys I really like a X7 in the turns. I still havent got to ride a X18 or X15 yet so I really dont know how they are, but I can take a curve much faster on my X7 than on the X12. I guess I'm just gonna have to get used to the X12. I dont like how high up the rear is. It feels like the nu R6's, like ur riding on top of the bike instead of in it like the GSXR's are. I like to feel like I am part of the bike . Hopefully I can bring the rear on the X12 down some and get comfortable with it in the turns.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

gotta laugh at the cat eye
rear up high means no scrapage of pegs
you think your going fast then a little pb goes by you
#&#^&$^& oh no he didnt
win in the corner,lose in the corner

[The Nutty Professor]

To things off the top about the X22. The shifter is to close to the footpeg and it makes for hard shifting, but I think its that way to make it easier for kids to shift. Number 2 the rearset's are to low by about and inch. I think and this might sound strange that because of my height it makes it a little harder when the pegs are low. Someone like Swheels can get his longer legs out and feel for the ground with his knee and keep getting the bike leaned more and more. I have a long way to go before touch down. But in the end I look to scrape and ELBOW! Yeah right rolleye0010

[swheels]

To things off the top about the X22. The shifter is to close to the footpeg and it makes for hard shifting, but I think its that way to make it easier for kids to shift. Number 2 the rearset's are to low by about and inch. I think and this might sound strange that because of my height it makes it a little harder when the pegs are low. Someone like Swheels can get his longer legs out and feel for the ground with his knee and keep getting the bike leaned more and more. I have a long way to go before touch down. But in the end I look to scrape and ELBOW! Yeah right rolleye0010Thats funny because thats exactly what i do.LOL Then once i know how far i can lean the bike then i'm good to go.I think once i put my front tire on i really be able to lean the bike now and get the bike back to where i can slide the rear around.thumbsup2